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It's a good argument. The round dish on the Falcon is a pretty big tell, IMO.

I just can't wait until the sequel trilogy is finished. I think it was a terrible mistake, and the stand alone films have been, if not great, at least better.

Who knows.

They may have just changed it because they really dont give a fuck about continuity. Oh wait. They dont give a fuck.

Whats the next movie going to be? Fucked up.

But Rey will probably kill Kylo. Maybee it will be revealed she is a genderswap clone of Luke or Anakin? Would explain alot.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1097107I just can't wait until the sequel trilogy is finished. I think it was a terrible mistake, and the stand alone films have been, if not great, at least better.

Well I agree with you on this point. The Sequels feel like a bunch of art students writing a mish mash of fanfiction, and no one reigning them in.
Rogue One and Solo have run rings around the Sequels, and at least feel like they belong to Star Wars canon.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1097107I just can't wait until the sequel trilogy is finished. I think it was a terrible mistake, and the stand alone films have been, if not great, at least better.

I had high hopes and am still a Star Wars fan, but while I can watch Solo and Rogue One and Star Wars Rebels over and over, I sold my copy of The Last Jedi because I hated it more every time I watched it.

Rebels was clearly aimed at a younger audience than Clone Wars, and not nearly as good or nuanced.

I think there's a lesson here for any type of world building (especially germane to RPGs).  Fans can accept a lot of things that are fantastic or magical, but it's important to maintain consistency.  If everything is 'rule of cool' and things that are well established are overturned/rejected by new developments, it's hard to believe that the setting matters.

One of the reasons why Tolkien set the standard for fantasy for the last century is that he had a well-developed world; the stories seemed to flow from it in a deeply plausible way.  You can have fun with a shallower setting; you can even have fans, but it's hard to really love a setting that gets 'reset' in major ways all the time.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1097491Rebels was clearly aimed at a younger audience than Clone Wars, and not nearly as good or nuanced.

Maybe, but it is hard to see the trials of Kanan Jarus right up to his death scene and say that it wasn't good.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1097514Fans can accept a lot of things that are fantastic or magical, but it's important to maintain consistency.  If everything is 'rule of cool' and things that are well established are overturned/rejected by new developments, it's hard to believe that the setting matters.

Exactly. The New Trek movies made the same mistake.

I can see TRoS going in all sorts of different directions. The ones I think are most likely are a) universalizing Force access or otherwise replacing the old light/dark duality with some sort of hamfisted 'unity', and/or b) going back to the Mortis arc of Clone Wars and ending up with Luke replacing the 'Father', Kylo the 'Son' and Rey the 'Daughter.'

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1097654I can see TRoS going in all sorts of different directions. The ones I think are most likely are a) universalizing Force access or otherwise replacing the old light/dark duality with some sort of hamfisted 'unity', and/or b) going back to the Mortis arc of Clone Wars and ending up with Luke replacing the 'Father', Kylo the 'Son' and Rey the 'Daughter.'

I really hope that they do not link it back to the Mortis trilogy because that would just make The Force seem too much like some kind of Post-Modern Catholicism for my taste.

I also really hope that they do not engage in time travel bullshit, even though it is apparently now canon. Time travel was needed to save the Star Trek franchise from its own overconvoluted canon (not to mention its fanbase) and JJ Abrams is a hero for doing so, but it would shitwreck Star Wars.

Quote from: jeff37923;1097695Time travel was needed to save the Star Trek franchise from its own overconvoluted canon (not to mention its fanbase) and JJ Abrams is a hero for doing so, but it would shitwreck Star Wars.

I disagree with this quite strongly.  It shitwrecked Star Trek.  

Time Travel always had a place in Star Trek, and the TV series Enterprise made maintaining that continuum a central theme.  Some things, like Tasha Yarr traveling back in time to have a heroic moment were both surprising and kinda cool - they gave a much better send-off to the character than a pile of evil goo ever could.  But having a disaffected miner coming back and destroying Vulcan is super-dumb.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1097710I disagree with this quite strongly.  It shitwrecked Star Trek.  

Time Travel always had a place in Star Trek, and the TV series Enterprise made maintaining that continuum a central theme.  Some things, like Tasha Yarr traveling back in time to have a heroic moment were both surprising and kinda cool - they gave a much better send-off to the character than a pile of evil goo ever could.  But having a disaffected miner coming back and destroying Vulcan is super-dumb.

Huh. This does make me wonder, is Picard set in the Abramsverse or the original timeline? Does it even matter at this point?

Probably not.  I imagine Picard-verse uses the timeline that Next Generation used.  There were no Vulcans among the main characters, so it might not be readily apparent the way it would be with Voyager (Tuvok), at least if I'm remembering correctly that with Vulcan destroyed there are not other Vulcans around.  

So, this might sound like I'm nerding out really bad, but I also had a problem with Alternate Spock (Nimoy) coming and telling New Spock to let Kirk be in charge.  I somehow read one Star Trek comic (probably at a Doctor's Office) and there was a thing about two Kirks arguing over determining the fate of the universe.  Alternate reality Kirk insisted that he needed to decide, and normal Kirk didn't let him.  In the end, making his own choice was the RIGHT ONE.  Taking the advice of alternate universe people seems contrary to the generally established principles in Star Trek that you should do what you think is right.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1097715So, this might sound like I'm nerding out really bad, but I also had a problem with Alternate Spock (Nimoy) coming and telling New Spock to let Kirk be in charge.  I somehow read one Star Trek comic (probably at a Doctor's Office) and there was a thing about two Kirks arguing over determining the fate of the universe.  Alternate reality Kirk insisted that he needed to decide, and normal Kirk didn't let him.  In the end, making his own choice was the RIGHT ONE.  Taking the advice of alternate universe people seems contrary to the generally established principles in Star Trek that you should do what you think is right.

I think the main problem running through the first two nuTreks (I coulnd't finish the third, it was so boring.) is that they were heavily borrowing from original Trek. Not storylines or characters, but the zeitgeist, the essence of these characters that had existed since the late 60's, through the animated series and six feature films. The new movies set themselves before the original series, but expected us to treat the setting and characters through the lens of having already done the establishing work. For example,  Khan from the new movie. He's a nothing character with no backstory or build up, and yet the movie treats him as some kind of big deal. Spock sheds a tear at Kirk's death, but they did hardly any work to build up their friendship. The Abrams Trek universe is all flash and no substance.

So your example of original Spock telling new Spock to let Kirk be in charge is a great example of that. They won't do the work of having Kirk earn Spock's respect, they just have old Spock tell him to do it.

Quote from: jeff37923;1097537Maybe, but it is hard to see the trials of Kanan Jarus right up to his death scene and say that it wasn't good.

I would trumpet Rebels from the rooftops if it had been about Kanan. My issue was that to much 5 me was spent on Ezra, to the detriment of the other characters. Even Zeb and Sabine's major arcs revolved around Ezra.