I read a great book by Al Franken I got for christmas called "Lies and the lieing miars who tell them: A fair and balanced look at the right." and it was great.
It had a part in it about how the bush administration hit the ground lieing, and literally began lieing as they were moving into the whitehouse. They claimed that the clinton staff had terribly vandalized the white house, trashed the place, stole stuff, sabotaged things and left "porn bombs" around.
Well, all these claims turned out to be complete bullshit, but still, Al couldn't stop wondering what a "porn bomb" was. Basically he'd never heard of it (like eveyrone else, apparently, asides from the bush administration) so he finally assumed it was a conventional explosive charge wrapped in layers of porn, and when the domb detonated it scattered porn all over an area, contaminating it with porn fallout.
Now, I was thinking that these could make interesting weapons in some rpg settings, like any modern or post modern setting where you have free thinkers fighting against religious fanatics. The free thinkers could use porn bombs to contaminate areas with porn fallout, making them inaccessible to religious fanatics for a time, maybe even centuries, until the porn had decayed down to normal background levels. These could be effective area denial weapons against those kind who think if they see a woman's ankle they're damned for all eternity.
So now we need to work out stats for a porn bomb. Basically how much area would the fallout from, say, a porn bomb with a warhead consisting of one megabyte of porn printed out contaminate? An acre? A hectare? A city block? A quater mile radius?
Also what effect would a porn bomb have on religious fanatics? Would they have to make a willpower roll to stay in an area contaminated by porn fallout? if so how often? once? Once a day? An hour? A turn?
Also could we make them take a negative mod to their willpower rolls if they're typical homophobic types and we enrich the porn bomb warhead with gay porn?
Now, asides from porn bombs as strategic area denial weapons we could go down to the tactical scale with the porn grenade, meant to be used in CQB with religious fanatics. Say it's like one kilobyte of porn wrapped around a small scattering charge. Toss it into a room before you go in and see if it drives any fanatics out with their hands over their eyes, then gun them down.
Lastly we could have thre pornthrower: A large, long range inkjet head mounted on a handle and linked to a small computer and some large inktanks in a backpack.
To use, pick a flat surface like a floor or wall, aim the printhead at it, pick an image and PSSSSSSSH! PSSSSSSH! The porntrhrower puts it out, billboard size.
I could just see a group of free thinkers pinned under fire, hiding behind some rubble in front of a wall. "Oh my god, sarge! They've got us covered! We're all gonna die! We're all gonna die!"
The sargeant grabs the cowering private, slaps him and says "Pull it together, Hackard! Jablonski, set the pornthrower for "XXX" and hose that wall, NOW!"
Within seconds a huge XXX rated picture is deposited on the wall, the fanatics all wail in horror and cover their eyes. The freethinkers leap out from behind their cover and mop them up.
I was wondering what the stats for porn bombs, porn grenades and pornthrowers would be in various game settings, like d20, rifts, gurps, etc.
Also, I don't think we should EVER let people forget the bush administration was lieing as it walked into the whitehouse, and keeping the idea of the "porn bomb" alive would do it, even if only to gamers.
Sonic porn bombs earlier this week:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/02/22/america/NA-GEN-US-Church-Foul-Language.php
Used condom porn bombs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_Coalition_to_Unleash_Power
And of course the ever popular lawn crapping.
(too numerous to cite)
On the other hand Al Franken is comedic genius. Love his stuff.
Mr. Franken might be a "comic genius" - but he is hardly a good historical reference source on anything.
Now the idea of "porn bombs" in the press seemed to mean programs in the various government and White House computers that automatically went to porn web sites or porn animations when the computers were activated or after a pre-set number of minutes regular web-browsing would be interrupted by porn.
In a role-playing game , say maybe a High-tech Sci-fi campaign,...I could see little spheres that are tossed at a crowd to distract them. When these spheres hit the ground .....realistic holographic images of couples happily fucking are projected. (in all sorts of positions and outfits, very load screams of pleasure too.)
That would be a great distraction method in the middle of a running chase scene. The comedy potential makes it even better for a Conspiracy or Illuminate type RPG campaign.
- E.W.C.
Quote from: Dominus NoxI read a great book by Al Franken I got for christmas called "Lies and the lieing miars who tell them: A fair and balanced look at the right." and it was great.
I noticed you changed your tag line. Did Al Franken's take on political correctness and Islam change your mind?
Quote from: KoltarThat would be a great distraction method in the middle of a running chase scene. The comedy potential makes it even better for a Conspiracy or Illuminate type RPG campaign.
- E.W.C.
Have you ever watched Dominion Tank Police (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Tank_Police)?
They are already on it
Comic
http://www.biggercheese.com/index.php?comic=661
http://www.biggercheese.com/index.php?comic=659
News story
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4174519.stm
Quote from: RockViperNews story
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4174519.stm
Quote from: BBC ArticleThe plan for a so-called "love bomb" envisaged an aphrodisiac chemical that would provoke widespread homosexual behaviour among troops, causing what the military called a "distasteful but completely non-lethal" blow to morale.
Didn't the Spartan army have widespread homosexual behaviour among troops? From what I've read, they didn't have problems with morale...
Quote from: StuartDidn't the Spartan army have widespread homosexual behaviour among troops? From what I've read, they didn't have problems with morale...
Yeah, but we're not as culturally advanced as the Spartans were, at least in some instances. Nor are most of our people homosexual (at least openly, it's pretty hard to gauge how many are homosexual in hiding).
We're all already suffering from a form of "porn-bomb" already, in the form of e-mail spam and pop-ups. Now, this is just for marketing purposes, but imagine a "smart" virus that gains access to computers, but does nothing apparently harmful, nothing obvious. What it does instead is selectively search text documents, looking for likely words to mis-spell ever-so-slightly, turning them into obscene words. It searches image files and inserts tiny pornographic images that aren't immediately detectable, sort of how like Bert from Sesame Street ended up on a poster with Osama bin Laden at a protest rally, only much more subtle. Every time anyone with the porn virus saves a file, the code takes the opportunity to insert some bit of nastiness that will have a cumulative effect upon the populace at large. While insidious on the level of the individual user, think what will happen when it infects the computers of countless media production outlets. Porn will be fucking everywhere and you won't even know it.
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I've seen Fight Club too! :haw:
Quote from: KoltarMr. Franken might be a "comic genius" - but he is hardly a good historical reference source on anything.
Now the idea of "porn bombs" in the press seemed to mean programs in the various government and White House computers that automatically went to porn web sites or porn animations when the computers were activated or after a pre-set number of minutes regular web-browsing would be interrupted by porn.
In a role-playing game , say maybe a High-tech Sci-fi campaign,...I could see little spheres that are tossed at a crowd to distract them. When these spheres hit the ground .....realistic holographic images of couples happily fucking are projected. (in all sorts of positions and outfits, very load screams of pleasure too.)
That would be a great distraction method in the middle of a running chase scene. The comedy potential makes it even better for a Conspiracy or Illuminate type RPG campaign.
- E.W.C.
PYEW! There's that smell of asskisser breath again. Gack! Also I pick up a trace of conservative stench mixed in.
Quote from: JongWKHave you ever watched Dominion Tank Police (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Tank_Police)?
You mean the amazing transforming plastic Ahan from act 3 of dominion? That's back when it was just called dominion. Boss Buaku forever! Hail Masamune Shirow!
Quote from: John MorrowI noticed you changed your tag line. Did Al Franken's take on political correctness and Islam change your mind?
No, I corrected AL Franken in the danger ilsam poses. I caught my tagline from a show about nazism and how various psychics made predictions that strangely seemed to correlate with nazism.
The idea of the nazis burning books then later burning people reminded me of how some groups today like to burn things, both on the far right and the far left.
Quote from: StuartDidn't the Spartan army have widespread homosexual behaviour among troops? From what I've read, they didn't have problems with morale...
This bit about gays not being able to fight is a myth. Histories greatest general, Alaxandar the great, was either completely gay or AC/DC, leaning towards the DC.
Likewise Julius Caesar was known to be somewhat bisexual, as recorded by his contemporaries "Ceasar was every woman's man, and every man's woman."
Homosexuality was also rampant among the nazis for some reason too, and one of hitler's early henchmen, Ernst Rohm, really had a thing for the boys. Still Rohm was a tough street fighter.
I still think that while the pornthrower would be the hardest weapon to make technologically it might be the most versatile as it could be adjusted to have the most effect on the particular target of the moment.
So, if a squad was taking fire from, say, southern baptists extremists they could look them up in the warbook refference section, see that SB fanatics tended towards homophobia and racism, and set the pornthrower to spray XXX interracial gay porn. The SBFs would have to make their willpower rolls at like -6 or worse.
Quote from: blakkieI've seen Fight Club too! :haw:
Oh,
yeah. That's right. It's been a while since I've seen that. :D
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Just to correct a conservative liar here, when the bushies moved into the white house they did claim that there was massive damage, filthy graffiti, vandalism, theft, "porn bombs", etc.
The clinton staff denied all this, and the busines simply said "Well, we're not going to discuss it as it's time to move on, but the damages and theft amounted to about 200,000$"
Ok, to they tell yet another lie about clinton as they're literally moving into the white house, having lied and stolen their way into it, then when challenged to back it up they say it's time to "move on and change the tone", which the right spent 8 years setting, BTW.
Well, people demanded prtoof, like reciepts from the clean up costs, etc. The bushies just ignored the demands. Then Bob Barr, a notorious conservative who filed the first impeachment motion against Clinton the day after he was sworn into office, demanded proof of the "200,000$ in damages" as part of a way of filing charges against Clinton, or at least some of his staff. (They just couldn't give up their hopes of seeing Clinton, or at least as many people close to him as possible, in jail.)
Well, the GAO said there were no records of any clean up fees. The GSA said they had zerpoknowledge of any such expenses and finally the bushies admitted they did not have one single documented, catalogued case of any sort of vandalism, damage, "porn bomb", etc.
They more or less said "It happened, but we didn't keep the proof, we want to "move on"."
So, in other words, it didn't happen.
Now then, just because it was a lie the bush bunch made up doesn't mean that we should discard the idea of the porn bomb entirely, tho. I think they could be very useful weapons in the culture war for free thinkers and progressives to use against religious fanatics, neocons and other fascists.
Say, has anyone used the idea of a "culture war" in a RPG setting? A culture war setting rpg could be a great place to introduce porn bombs, porn grenades and the dreaded porn thrower.
Quote from: Dominus NoxSo, in other words, it didn't happen.
Was that really the final word? See: here (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac3/ContentServer?articleid=A13372-2001Jun2&pagename=article), here (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A34764-2002Jun11?language=printer), here (http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d02360.pdf). (Some of these also detail what they meant by "porn bombs".)
Quote from: John MorrowWas that really the final word? See: here (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac3/ContentServer?articleid=A13372-2001Jun2&pagename=article), here (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A34764-2002Jun11?language=printer), here (http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d02360.pdf). (Some of these also detail what they meant by "porn bombs".)
Well, when I saw that your first two links were to the washington post, a publication dedicated to boosting republicans and bashing democrats I instantly disconnected from them without viewing them.
The third was taking forever to connect so I got tired of wating and closed the window.
The bottom line is that if there'd been 200$ worth or damage that could be pinned on clinton staff, bob barr, dan burton and the rest of the clinton haters would have had every member of clinton's staff up on charges, hearings, etc. They didn't because they couldn't prove any of it.
Washington post articles are about as credible as the average article on the fox nutz channel.
Gay porn bombs might be an effective solution to those silly religious bigots in Northern Ireland. But then again ...Northern Ireland might have had enough of bomb blasts of any sort.
Quote from: Dominus NoxWell, when I saw that your first two links were to the washington post, a publication dedicated to boosting republicans and bashing democrats...
Does the
Washington Post know about this?
Quote from: Dominus NoxWell, when I saw that your first two links were to the washington post, a publication dedicated to boosting republicans and bashing democrats I instantly disconnected from them without viewing them.
Are you sue you aren't confusing the Washington Post and the Washington Times? Then again, an attention to details doesn't seem to be your strong suit.
Quote from: Dominus NoxThe third was taking forever to connect so I got tired of wating and closed the window.
The third is a later GAO report than the one you seem to be relying on.
Quote from: Dominus NoxThe bottom line is that if there'd been 200$ worth or damage that could be pinned on clinton staff, bob barr, dan burton and the rest of the clinton haters would have had every member of clinton's staff up on charges, hearings, etc. They didn't because they couldn't prove any of it.
They would have needed the cooperation of the Bush administration and they, apparently, were trying to put it behind them. As it is, there is evidence that they wasted as much money investigating the vandalism as their was vandalism, which would be a perfectly valid critique for you to make. Then again, I think you (and probably Franken) are missing the whole point of the "porn bomb" charges.
Quote from: Dominus NoxWashington post articles are about as credible as the average article on the fox nutz channel.
So what publications do you think are reliable? The New York Times? The Guardian?
Quote from: Dominus NoxPYEW! There's that smell of asskisser breath again. Gack! Also I pick up a trace of conservative stench mixed in.
Nox: What does any of that have to do with what Koltar actually posted? Are you not getting that this is what makes you so unliked here? Respond to what he said, or shut the fuck up.
Koltar: Don't fucking bait him.
Considering the history the two of you have, I'd really wish you'd put each other on ignore.
RPGPundit
Quote from: Dominus NoxWell, when I saw that your first two links were to the washington post, a publication dedicated to boosting republicans and bashing democrats I instantly disconnected from them without viewing them.
And that, Nox, is a good example of why you're so ignorant.
If you'd actually read them rather than covering your eyes because you think they might damage your precious beliefs, you would have found that in fact the links Morrow posted seem to do far more to back up your argument (well, Franken's argument, really, you're just his parrot) than to contradict it.
The articles conclude that the total potential damages from the exiting Clinton admin went to about $19K, and wasn't more than was typical when you had a change of party administration transition (ie. about as much "damage" as was done when the Bush Sr. admin left and Clinton arrived); while the cost of the "investigation" (which was basically an excuse for mudslinging on the part of Barr and the Bush whitehouse) cost about $200K, far more than the damages could have amounted to.
To me it seems pretty obvious: fratboy Dubya and company was projecting their own way of thinking, the sort of thing that they would do, to the Clinton administration. The story about taking the "w" keys off some keyboards was probably true, which the Bush admin made a big deal of reporting, but then they went hog-wild with their imagination from that point, making up shit that they think could have happened, detailing normal wear-and-tear from 8 years of government as "vandalism", etc etc., goaded on by the conservative media hungry to tar the Clinton administration one last time. And like usual with Bush fabrications, at each telling the story got bigger, and more difficult to back down from. So instead they just did what became the standard operating procedure for the rest of their administration: keep telling the lie, refusing to show anything to back it up, till its accepted as "common knowledge". Its all part of that idea this administration has that they have the power to "Create their own reality", something they openly stated in regards to Iraq, the notion that if they're forceful enough about wanting something to be true, it will become true (like, say "victory in Iraq"). It hasn't really worked out for them...
But shit, if you want to see real destruction, wait till you have (if you do) a Bush white house transition to a Democratic presidency... the fuckers who thought up and fabricated all those stories of vandalism? I'm betting they were saving a few doozies compared to what they claimed.
RPGPundit
P.S. : Oh yeah, since this thread is just a thinly-veiled political thread masked as a supposed Roleplaying subject, I'm moving it to off topic. Next time you want to talk about Al Franken's wonderfulness, Nox, don't make up an RPG excuse. It only muddies the waters.
Quote from: Dominus NoxWell, when I saw that your first two links were to the washington post, a publication dedicated to boosting republicans and bashing democrats I instantly disconnected from them without viewing them.
And that right there disqualifies you from even making a comment about politics ever again.
Anyone afraid to read what the Other Side is saying is a partisan hack at best and not worth discussing anything with. Not to metion the fact that the Post is about as Left as you can get. Its the Washington Times you're supposed to immediately dismiss - didn't you get the memo?
Again, democraticunderground and Kos await you - though I suspect you visit them already.
Quote from: RPGPunditIf you'd actually read them rather than covering your eyes because you think they might damage your precious beliefs, you would have found that in fact the links Morrow posted seem to do far more to back up your argument (well, Franken's argument, really, you're just his parrot) than to contradict it.
Well that's true (I was curious if he'd actually read the links), but it's also true that there was vandalism and the articles detailed what was meant by "porn bombs", with is what the title of the thread is all about. It meant (A) putting pornographic messages on the voicemail of phones and (B) putting pornographic images dispersed throughout the paper in photocopiers and printers so they'd pop up at random.
While the "W" keys (had they left them all in a drawer so the keyboards weren't ruined) and particularly swapped phone lines could be counted as legitimate pranks rather than vandalism, I think the "porn bombs" were a pretty nasty attempt at harassment and in most private sector environments, such actions could be actionable as sexual harassment and so forth. And that's the whole message of the "porn bomb" charge to social conservatives -- that the Clinton had people that would bring porn into work (or already had it there).
The GAO report does describe legitimate acts of vandalism (e.g., cut phone lines) and the bottom line is that there was vandalism (so the Left is wrong claiming there wasn't any) but it wasn't anywhere near as bad as reported in the Right-leaning press (so the Right is wrong claiming how bad it was). As is often true in cases like this, the truth is somewhere between the partisans.
Quote from: RPGPunditBut shit, if you want to see real destruction, wait till you have (if you do) a Bush white house transition to a Democratic presidency... the fuckers who thought up and fabricated all those stories of vandalism? I'm betting they were saving a few doozies compared to what they claimed.
You don't really know that and it would be stupid as they did. But let me add my two-cents as someone who used to work for the government.
All the money that they need to spend to fix things that get broken, whether it's vandalism or normal wear-and-tear and whether it's a $2 phone cord or a $2,000 presidential seal, is taxpayer money. And, frankly, government workers are far too casual about wasting it and voters are far too casual about excusing it. I think anyone who purposely destroys or steals government property should be nailed for it's bigger than a pen or a few sheets of paper. I don't care if it's a coaster from Air Force One or a large presidential seal from the White House, nor do I care if they are Democrat or Republican. They should be nailed for it because they are taking money out of the taxpayers pocket when they do that and it's about time they were all a little more aware of that. And if you think they are entitled to steal from the government, then I want the right to take home souvenirs and office supplies and to vandalize government property when I go to government buildings because, heck, I'm paying for it.
Quote from: RPGPunditAnd that, Nox, is a good example of why you're so ignorant.
And this post is a good example of what a pompous asshole you are.
Oh, since you don't think it's right for me to discount a newssource because of it's proven history of bias then I must assume you would never discount a news source because you considered it biased.
So go to this (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com) news source and educate your ignorant ass
That's not a news source, Nox. Your inability to tell the difference between what is and what isn't a "news source" is yet another piece filled in on the puzzle of what makes you such an utter fuckwit.
RPGPundit
Quote from: RPGPunditThat's not a news source, Nox. Your inability to tell the difference between what is and what isn't a "news source" is yet another piece filled in on the puzzle of what makes you such an utter fuckwit.
RPGPundit
You decide I'm wrong for ignoring a source that I consider biased, you then ignore a source you consider biased. That's why you're such a fucking hypocrite.
Also I'b getting alittle sick of your namecalling, and am about one most post away from fucking going off on you, just so you'll know.
Quote from: Dominus NoxYou decide I'm wrong for ignoring a source that I consider biased, you then ignore a source you consider biased. That's why you're such a fucking hypocrite.
Yes, except one is a well-respected news-source, regardless of its biases that conforms to certain minimum standards of journalistic professionalism, whereas the other is a politicized propaganda website made by one Glen Reinsford, who has fuck all as far as legitimate qualifications and lives up to no standards of journalistic integrity. You're not comparing Apples and Oranges here, you're comparing Sausage with Velocity here. They're not even in the same category; there's no point of comparison.
QuoteAlso I'b getting alittle sick of your namecalling, and am about one most post away from fucking going off on you, just so you'll know.
Right, because until now you've been the very paragon of restraint.
RPGPundit
Quote from: RPGPunditKoltar: Don't fucking bait him.
Considering the history the two of you have, I'd really wish you'd put each other on ignore.
RPGPundit
Baiting? Alright I'll try my best not to. Like someone said once - the very fact that I might post on here seems to be a "bait".
Taking your suggestion, I have put Nox on my ignore list.
..Oh and thats not "sucking" up. A moderator made a polite suggestion. I took the suggestion. Thats all.
- E.W.C.
Quote from: RPGPunditDon't fucking bait him.Quote from: KoltarA moderator made a polite suggestion.
*snicker* :haw:
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Quote from: Ian Absentia*snicker* :haw:
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Hey - in context that's pretty fucking polite.
I'm not used to being able to cuss and swear freely on a forum page yet - alright?
But on here it seems to be just another effing adjective.
- E.W.C.
Exactly. And I don't usually advocate that anyone put anyone on anyone's ignore list, but given your history with Nox; I really don't think either of you will be missing anything by ignoring each other; at least not anything productive.
RPGPundit
Any Erisian or Discordian can tell you that a pornbomb is just one of the most well known weapons employed as part of Operation Mindfuck
Quote from: RPGPunditExactly. And I don't usually advocate that anyone put anyone on anyone's ignore list, but given your history with Nox; I really don't think either of you will be missing anything by ignoring each other; at least not anything productive.
RPGPundit
I wouldn't be missing anything productive if I could put you on my Il as your typical fucktarded rantings produce nothing but irritation and slight nausea.
Quote from: Dominus NoxI wouldn't be missing anything productive if I could put you on my Il as your typical fucktarded rantings produce nothing but irritation and slight nausea.
Go away mad, and let the door hit your ass on the way out. :D