Quote from: HappyDaze;1124689Not sure if I missed that detail or if it has been further explained since I posted. Now it really sounds like the Cylons are out there ready to come after the Federation,  Romulans,  and the rest.

RLM has guessed that it's going to be Control or a descendant of Control from Discovery.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1124719RLM has guessed that it's going to be Control or a descendant of Control from Discovery.

A link to Discovery? Well, that would be unfortunate. Really unfortunate.

I just saw the most recent episode where the "Avenging AI Space Gods" plot was fully explained. It was pretty awful. The space flower defenders were bad, but the android that had mastered the Vulcan Mind-Meld was just too stupid to be believed. Oh, let's also not forget that the shattered remnants of the Romulans can still pull together a force of 200+ Warbirds (which are small and ugly as fuck). My wife loves Star Trek, and even she was saying "what the fuck" several times this episode.

They've been dropping hints of Discovery in Picard. Wether or not that is a forewarning is hard to say. The show really cant get more fucked up than it allready is so why not toss in Discovery itself!

So Riker shows up in the "toughest ship Starfleet has ever built" and has well over 100 of that design. Even the Dominion War showed that Starfleet uses multiple classes of ships (not all of which are cutting edge, top of the line for obvious reasons), so this struck me as being really stupid. It would be like the Navy responding to a situation by sending 100 Zumwalt destroyers (and whatever the newest version of the carriers is called).

I checked out of the show when they killed Icheb. I don't have the inclination to watch them piss on Star Trek anymore. I'll content myself with rubbernecking the postmortems.

[video=youtube;jsgnyxpzlfY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsgnyxpzlfY[/youtube]

If anything, Picard and Discovery have given the fans an opportunity to clarify what is and isn't Star Trek.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1124643Or maybe you should read Don Quixote and reflect on what it means to be tilting at windmills.

It means you're batshit crazy and need to be put someplace quiet.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1125248So Riker shows up in the "toughest ship Starfleet has ever built" and has well over 100 of that design.

  Haven't watched the show (I don't stream ) but the 'toughest ship Starfleet has ever built' has the old-time Trekkie/Niner in me curious: were they Defiant-class or a recognizable descendant of that type?

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1125391Haven't watched the show (I don't stream ) but the 'toughest ship Starfleet has ever built' has the old-time Trekkie/Niner in me curious: were they Defiant-class or a recognizable descendant of that type?

Nope. Something that looked like a cross between a Sovereign and an Akira.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2020/03/27/star-trek-picard-showrunner-michael-chabon-admits-he-wanted-to-piss-off-or-provoke-people/

Well, I gave up on Star Trek since the 09 mindless action flick reboot. So score zero for Chabon from me. I already didn't care, and now I care even less. The only entertainment I get from Picard is watching it flop like a dead fish.
I'm just waiting for these talentless hacks to finally get kicked out and someone who understands storytelling and science fiction can put this franchise back on track.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1125639https://boundingintocomics.com/2020/03/27/star-trek-picard-showrunner-michael-chabon-admits-he-wanted-to-piss-off-or-provoke-people/

Well, I gave up on Star Trek since the 09 mindless action flick reboot. So score zero for Chabon from me. I already didn't care, and now I care even less. The only entertainment I get from Picard is watching it flop like a dead fish.
I'm just waiting for these talentless hacks to finally get kicked out and someone who understands storytelling and science fiction can put this franchise back on track.

I suspect that due to gatekeeping and the nepotistic/incestuous nature of the Entertainment-Industrial Complex that we will NOT see the Talentless Hacks kicked out and replaced any time soon.  The sheer corrupt and protectionist ties to Big-Daddy Government also means that it will take a long while for natural market forces to finally shut down the increasingly useless existing structures and for them to be replaced by smaller, more responsive outsider 'studios'.    Its difficult to predict how fast an existing monopoly can fall under its own internal rot... I, myself, noted as early as 2003 that people were migrating to foreign cinema (korean specifically at the time) in surprising numbers, which was, within a few years, reflected in pop-culture by an increase in 'remakes' of many popular asian films by american studios, which have become increasingly parasitic as their general lack of talent, ability or basic understanding of what draws people to cinema, becomes increasingly self-evident.

Quote from: Spike;1125643I suspect that due to gatekeeping and the nepotistic/incestuous nature of the Entertainment-Industrial Complex that we will NOT see the Talentless Hacks kicked out and replaced any time soon.  The sheer corrupt and protectionist ties to Big-Daddy Government also means that it will take a long while for natural market forces to finally shut down the increasingly useless existing structures and for them to be replaced by smaller, more responsive outsider 'studios'.    Its difficult to predict how fast an existing monopoly can fall under its own internal rot... I, myself, noted as early as 2003 that people were migrating to foreign cinema (korean specifically at the time) in surprising numbers, which was, within a few years, reflected in pop-culture by an increase in 'remakes' of many popular asian films by american studios, which have become increasingly parasitic as their general lack of talent, ability or basic understanding of what draws people to cinema, becomes increasingly self-evident.

On the Star Wars side, it does seem that Kathleen Kennedy is on her way to "early retirement", and that complete hack Kurtzman has been shuffled of from Star Trek to that Hannibal TV series.
I have some hope from the rumors going around that the studios are not pleased and are looking into course correcting.

I've been seeing comments for years that Star Wars was creatively bankrupt (meaning that there is literally no more stories to be told in Star Wars), and I saw a Youtube video title (not hte video... it didn't appeal) stating that Marvel and Disney are 'panicking' about their future prospects.

All of that is absolutely hysterical to me.   I pointed out when teh Last Jedi was coming out, here on this very forum, that any decent writer could take the shit-pile that is and build an enjoyable movie out of it. Captain Marvel doesn't sink the entire MCU, the JJ Abrams debacle(s) of Star Wars (and Trek...) don't destroy the future films in any way.  While we can all appreciate the monumental acheivement of the MCU's build up to Infinity War (and its subsequent wet fart (if enjoyable for all that...) of Endgame), all movies fundamentally stand on their own, for good or ill.  The buildup to Endgame is impressive, but the film itself had to stand on its own merits, and it did.  Endgame didn't stand on its own merits, and was the inferior film for it.  

The prime example of this is The Mandalorian. If shit writing in The Last Jedi doomed the future of Star Wars as a franchise then the Mandalorian would have been DOA. Ironically, I found the Mandalorian to be medicocre, at least in writing (Props to Pedro Pascal for his acting, btw...), but was elevated to greatness simply by the monumental failures it was being compared to.

I don't have a lot of hope about course correcting, because the same forces that created this mess are still present. Shuffling around the nepotistic inheritors of great properties and the utterly creative voids of the executives controlling the money will not do much.  The endemic disdain for their audience (customers...) will be a lot harder to purge than simply shutting up about culture war stuff (see also Brie Larson's sudden discovery of Cleavage vs her Nissan Commercial. Clearly she got the message, but her view of the world is so warped that her 'correction' was ineffectual and hollow)


EDIT:: Correction, when I refer to The Last Jedi, I mean Rise of Skywalker...  Humble-brag: I predicted when I left the theater after The Force Awakens what a shit-show this Disney-wars would be and haven't watched ANYTHING Star Wars since, until the first three Eps of Mandalorian, so I get confused regarding the names.  

Further insight: Its hard to imagine Kathy would do a worse job running the franchise if she set out to destroy it as a property from teh very beginning, honestly.  I'm reminded for the umpteenth time that she fired directors from Solo who went on to win multiple awards for Into the Spiderverse, Solo of course being the single worst performing film in the franchise (only catagorical failure, or something like that?).  Hanlon's Razor suggests its not deliberate, but man that's a bad look...

Chabon answered, "Sure. To the extent that I was aware of the kind of toxic fandom, the anti-SJW, you know, sad little corner of fandom -- you just disregard that."

LOL.

"the Anti-SJW" = most of the planet

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1125639I'm just waiting for these talentless hacks to finally get kicked out and someone who understands storytelling and science fiction can put this franchise back on track.

You'll need advanced cryogenics to wait until any now-woke franchise is ever back on track.

A bad string of movies or product can end up poisoning the well as it were. Sometimes inducing a rot that seeps into later product somehow. Sometimes not. I suspect any Star Trek or Star Wars or Marvel or DC to come out after all this all crashes will have a long struggle ahead of them. Moreso if any "fans" of the dark age productions attack the new for not meeting their demands. Like the new Ghostbusters movie seems to be getting.