Picard

Omega · March 16, 2020, 05:55:34 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1124362And Mass Effect.

I really dislike the idea that artificial lifeforms will inevitably lead to the android apocalypse. But even then, the story has been done better than Picard is turning out.

And Star Trek, and Voyager and Space 1999 and Annihilator and Terminator and a couple hundred sci-fi and post apoc shows. And Screamers based off the short story Second Variety. And Stargate. And any thers I missed. It gets used A-LOT. And its a well Star Trek has returned to a couple of times now allready. Now we just need time travel to round out the over used gimmics

Shrieking Banshee · March 16, 2020, 07:29:10 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1124362And Mass Effect.

I really dislike the idea that artificial lifeforms will inevitably lead to the android apocalypse. But even then, the story has been done better than Picard is turning out.

Some of the first science fiction to tackle artificial lifeforms (Frankenstein) ended with that note. The term "Robot" came from a play where artificial lifeforms wiped out mankind.

I kinda don't see how they won't to be honest. Either that or enforce totalitarian controls over their creators, or they upgrade their creators.

Doesn't make Picard any less uncreative though.

Omega · March 17, 2020, 03:23:10 PM

1921. R.U.R. (Rossums Universal Robots) was the first use of the term for a sci-fi stage play. Roboti in Czech. In that they are artificial organic servants. Similar to how some sci-fi depict Androids as artificial flesh and blood rather than cybernetics.

Shrieking Banshee · March 17, 2020, 06:21:57 PM

Quote from: Omega;11244681921. R.U.R. (Rossums Universal Robots) was the first use of the term for a sci-fi stage play. Roboti in Czech. In that they are artificial organic servants. Similar to how some sci-fi depict Androids as artificial flesh and blood rather than cybernetics.

Yup. They revolted and killed all humans in it.

deadDMwalking · March 19, 2020, 09:43:15 AM

All Sci-Fi should be relevant to today's audience. The relationship of man to his creations (and specifically AI) isn't new, but may be relevant. I think we could make the case that Mary Shelley's Frankenstein is really the first time an Artificially Created being turned on it's master.

I think Star Gate SG-1 ended up being a really good show, and it dealt with Replicators in the same way.

The same stories repackaged for a new audience is completely normal. Eventually, as old people, we'll realize we prefer the stories that were originally presented to us, but our ancestors will be shaking their head about how their versions of these stories were better.

Shrieking Banshee · March 19, 2020, 11:50:12 AM

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1124582The same stories repackaged for a new audience is completely normal. Eventually, as old people, we'll realize we prefer the stories that were originally presented to us, but our ancestors will be shaking their head about how their versions of these stories were better.

Or we could see pros and cons in all versions and just see some of the modern ones as garbage? Don't gimme this "Oh its always been like this" guff.

Ratman_tf · March 19, 2020, 12:38:38 PM

Yep. The issue isn't that they're using an old story, the issue is they're doing it badly. The tone doesn't fit the Trek universet. There's lots of terrible Alex Kurtzman nonsense storytelling. Characters are flat and boring.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/star_trek_picard

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/orville/s02

A show with alien pee jokes is doing better.

jeff37923 · March 19, 2020, 09:34:55 PM

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1124582All Sci-Fi should be relevant to today's audience.

Really, asswipe?

Dante Alighieri wrote the Divine Comedy back in 1308-1320 which can be argued as the first ever science fiction story because it used the sciences as they were understood at the time. Are you saying that the Inferno of the 14th century would not need to be updated to correspond with advances in technology and changes in culture if used today? If you are, then you totally fucking need to read Inferno and Escape From Hell by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle.

Spinachcat · March 19, 2020, 11:00:40 PM

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1124582The same stories repackaged for a new audience is completely normal.

Very true.

There's some interesting thoughts regarding how few actual stories exist, but how these few can be presented in myriad of ways.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Basic_Plots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirty-Six_Dramatic_Situations

Abraxus · March 20, 2020, 07:06:47 AM

She makes a good point about the Romulan spies not having to wear sunglassess. But more importantly the say at first in the series that the Romulans did not have enough ships to carry all their people from the doomed homeworld. Yet we have a scene where we see too many Romulan ships. They don't seem to have a clue imo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_29D8UD-64&t=1s

Shrieking Banshee · March 20, 2020, 11:23:54 AM

Quote from: sureshot;1124624They don't seem to have a clue imo.

It's not a clue but a CARE. The keyword is CARE. They don't CARE.

deadDMwalking · March 20, 2020, 02:40:03 PM

Quote from: jeff37923;1124611Really, asswipe?

Or maybe you should read Don Quixote and reflect on what it means to be tilting at windmills.

crkrueger · March 20, 2020, 04:36:50 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze;1124311So the plot of Picard is that, long ago, a species got donkeypunched by their own robots and and had to destroy them then decided that if artificial lifeforms ever became too advanced that they would come back and destroy everything. Some sort of take on Battlestar Galactica where the surviving Colonials go dark. Blah.

Not exactly.
Species creates Synthetic Life.
Species tries to destroy Synthetic Life, seeing it as a threat.
Synthetic Life wipes out Species.
Synthetic Life leaves a message behind for other Synthetic Life, if your creators try to exterminate you, call us and we'll exterminate your creators too.

So the Romulans are coming to wipe out the Android Colony and the Android Colony is about to call on the Advanced Synthetics to come and wipe out all that threaten them (which would be the Romulans, Federation, and probably the Klingons, etc.).

jeff37923 · March 20, 2020, 05:17:26 PM

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1124643Or maybe you should read Don Quixote and reflect on what it means to be tilting at windmills.

You are so cute when you get called on your bullshit.

Don Quixote isn't science fiction either.

HappyDaze · March 21, 2020, 08:19:37 AM

Quote from: CRKrueger;1124647Not exactly.
Species creates Synthetic Life.
Species tries to destroy Synthetic Life, seeing it as a threat.
Synthetic Life wipes out Species.
Synthetic Life leaves a message behind for other Synthetic Life, if your creators try to exterminate you, call us and we'll exterminate your creators too.

So the Romulans are coming to wipe out the Android Colony and the Android Colony is about to call on the Advanced Synthetics to come and wipe out all that threaten them (which would be the Romulans, Federation, and probably the Klingons, etc.).

Not sure if I missed that detail or if it has been further explained since I posted. Now it really sounds like the Cylons are out there ready to come after the Federation, Romulans, and the rest.