Dominus Nox, in past threads you have repeatedly jumped on Hollywood because you feel that they have something against fat folks.Which films specifically offended you?
Quote from: AnthrobotDominus Nox, in past threads you have repeatedly jumped on Hollywood because you feel that they have something against fat folks.Which films specifically offended you?
I guess that your criticism of Hollywood's film industry for its scathing portrayals of fat people is totally unfounded, since you cannot reply to my simple request.
It must all be in your twisted feverish mind, warped by junk food and too much sugar and too little contact with society.;)
As an aside, I can't imagine being so hyper sensitive about any condition I had, to the point that I couldn't laugh at myself. I've made all sorts of mistakes in my life, just like everyone else. If I can't laugh at them every once in a while, what's wrong with me?
Quote from: AnthrobotI guess that your criticism of Hollywood's film industry for its scathing portrayals of fat people is totally unfounded, since you cannot reply to my simple request.
It must all be in your twisted feverish mind, warped by junk food and too much sugar and too little contact with society.;)
Eddie Murphy's nutty professer movies, antyhing with chris farley and that cosksucking asshole david spade, glick, eddie murphy's new movie busting on an overweight girl, etc.
BTW, eddie murphy seems to have a real problem with overweight people. I;d like about 10 miniutes in a room alone with him to teach him some "respect" and "sensitivity".
Speaking of movies, I just got a DVD of "Birth of a nation." Boy they don't make 'em like that anymore.:teehee:
(BTW, for the thinking impaired, I guess I should explain that BoaN is considered "offensive' to some people, especially eddie murphy's kind. So I endorse a movie they find "offensive" to let them know how it feels to be negatively stereotypes and portrayed in a movie, which is what that fucking asshole murphy does to a lot of people in his movies.)
You should do stand up. Seriously, that stuff is hilarious!
Quote from: AnthrobotDominus Nox, in past threads you have repeatedly jumped on Hollywood because you feel that they have something against fat folks.Which films specifically offended you?
Um, I'm not Nox, but he has a point here surely?
How many non-comic sidekick positive representations of fat people are there? Hell, how many fat people?
Fat people tend not to get positive portrayals, partly as most actors and actresses are hardbodies or stick-thin, with a few character actor exceptions.
I don't think it's a case of pointing out films that ridicule fat people, I think it's more that fat people generally are portrayed as comic figures and there are damn few positive portrayals.
Why did this need a thread by the way? Other than baiting Nox for a point of view that, though you might disagree with it, is hardly an unusual one in this context.
:shrug: I don't think Hollywood has a hate on for fat people. They are plenty of bulky actors doing great work in Hollywood. As for on screen rep, hell fat people are no more a target, than blacks, hispanics... the other...and even now, not as much as before. In fact I think, as a group, fat people have it better then some other marginalized groups. It is funny though, that for all of Hollywood's faults some would choose the most inconsequential.
Edit: Nox does not have a point. He has an insecurity which informs most of his posts.
Regards,
David R
Quote from: Dominus Nox(BTW, for the thinking impaired, I guess I should explain that BoaN is considered "offensive' to some people, especially eddie murphy's kind. So I endorse a movie they find "offensive" to let them know how it feels to be negatively stereotypes and portrayed in a movie, which is what that fucking asshole murphy does to a lot of people in his movies.)
His kind? Do you mean actors, comedians, guys that hate fat people, or what?
If you mean black people, do you honestly think they need a movie to let them know how it feels to be negatively stereotyped? I'm pretty sure they were getting treated rather poorly long before movies were invented.
Being fat is not the same as being black. You can't stop being black (unless you're Michael Jackson) and there's nothing wrong with being black. In fact, if the Ozone keeps thinning, being black is probably a really good thing. And yet, people make fun of being black all the time. Eddie Murphy does it, for example.
On the other hand, you can stop being fat. Being fat is very bad for you -- and bad for society as a whole. Now, a lot of people aren't entirely to blame for being fat. Watch Supersize Me (http://www.supersizeme.com/) and consider how people become addicted to bad food much in the same way as other drugs.
Some movies do make fun of fat people. Mike Myers gets in the fat suit, slathers himself in grease and rolls around with Heather Graham in Austin Powers II. There are off-hand comments about a fat guy needing to eat again by Adam Sandler in The Wedding Singer. Jack Black had an entire movie about a fat woman -- Shallow Hal (although not to give away the ending, but it's not fat=bad).
And finally, there's a difference between making fun of people and villifying them. Birth of a Nation villifies black people -- it's not a comedy. I've really been trying to think you're not a racist... but the evidence is staking up against you. :(
Quote from: StuartI've really been trying to think you're not a racist... but the evidence is staking up against you. :(
What Nox needs is to be stuffed into a
burkhini strapped onto a chair - his eyes, pried open to better watch
Do The Right Thing, while
Ron Silver reads selected excerpts from the writings of
Christopher Hitchens.
Regards,
David R
I thought we weren't going to have any more Nox-bashing threads?
It wasn't a Nox bashing thread until Nox opened his mouth and asked to be bashed. It started out as a question.
QuoteI guess I should explain that BoaN is considered "offensive' to some people, especially eddie murphy's kind
You mean the kind of people who are offended by heroic portrayals of the Klan turning black folks away from the polls?
Jeebus. All this board needs now is that fucktard Halaster Blackcloak...
Quote from: James McMurrayIt wasn't a Nox bashing thread until Nox opened his mouth and asked to be bashed. It started out as a question.
It was a big-arsed bait.
It'd be like me going into RPGPundit's subforum and asking what he thinks about White Wolf. A bait, an attempt at stirring shit - a troll.
Isn't this thread too non-RPG for you anyway? :)
Quote from: JimBobOzIt was a big-arsed bait.
It'd be like me going into RPGPundit's subforum and asking what he thinks about White Wolf. A bait, an attempt at stirring shit - a troll.
Oh no it wasn't, you dunny licking twerp!
If I want to know why Nox is so angry about stuff I've got to know what he specifically finds offensive.
I am not going to hassle Nox about his weight, now that he has answered my question. His politics perhaps is worthy of attack.:p
Don't worry about it anthro. JimBob likes to tell people why they do things, and then attack anyone who tries to determine motives for actions on the basis of "you can't know people from a few internet posts." It (and topic policing) are his hobbies, at least on this forum.
I'll agree with Mr. Nox that Jiminy Glick is pretty damn creepy and offensive. Fat Bastard seemed a bit much for my tastes as well. But I'm not prepared to launch a crusade against Hollywood for those offenses.
When Weird Al did "Fat", I thought it was an enjoyable performance. It struck me as good-natured fun not in the least bit hostile. But then Mr. Yankovic pretty much comes off as a super nice guy no matter what he does.
Jesus christ, what next? Are we going to complain about Holywood's "denigrating" portrayal of "the stupid" as well? Is every fucking human failing now a protected minority??
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Quote from: RPGPunditJesus christ, what next? Are we going to complain about Holywood's "denigrating" portrayal of "the stupid" as well? Is every fucking human failing now a protected minority??
Again, I did not like Jiminy Glick and for me Fat Bastard was not funny most of the time. But I advocate no action other than me not watching the Jiminy Glick Show.
But yeah, when one has a beef with Hollywood I think one should speak up. Is Nox's complaint, now that he has offered substantive examples, really that different from you bitching about the portrayal of Uruguay in that one Steven Seagal movie? (http://www.xanga.com/item.aspx?user=RPGpundit&tab=weblogs&uid=314758321) Both have the same root cause, i.e. that Hollywood has its head up its ass.
Then , there are actors that border on overweight /fat - but if they choose their roles wisely they don't become the comic sidekick.
Specifically - Brian Dennehy has played both heroes and bad guys in movies. He's not exactly "skinny" one of the women that is in my RPG group finds him damn sexy.
..and how about Queen Latifah , most of her parts have dignity to them.
- E.W.C.
Quote from: jrientsAgain, I did not like Jiminy Glick and for me Fat Bastard was not funny most of the time. But I advocate no action other than me not watching the Jiminy Glick Show.
But yeah, when one has a beef with Hollywood I think one should speak up. Is Nox's complaint, now that he has offered substantive examples, really that different from you bitching about the portrayal of Uruguay in that one Steven Seagal movie? (http://www.xanga.com/item.aspx?user=RPGpundit&tab=weblogs&uid=314758321) Both have the same root cause, i.e. that Hollywood has its head up its ass.
The difference was I was laughing my ass off at the misconceptions and inferior production of a C-rated movie with a washed up action star, not advocating that Hollywood be forbidden from producing movies about Uruguay because they are evil.
I wasn't specifically responding to you, by the way; I was just noting that for a guy who claims to rail against "Political correctness", Nox sure is quick to call for the Nanny State when someone is prejudiced against his own particular crapulent personal flaw (namely, being a fatass).
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P.S. I don't find Glick funny, but mainly because I don't think Martin Short has been funny in at least 20 years. On the other hand, I think Fat Bastard is hilarious, he was a major inspiration for one of my recurring NPCs: Smiley McBastard.
That's right, I mock fat people in almost every game I run. Hah!
Quote from: RPGPunditThe difference was I was laughing my ass off at the misconceptions and inferior production of a C-rated movie with a washed up action star, not advocating that Hollywood be forbidden from producing movies about Uruguay because they are evil.
I wasn't specifically responding to you, by the way; I was just noting that for a guy who claims to rail against "Political correctness", Nox sure is quick to call for the Nanny State when someone is prejudiced against his own particular crapulent personal flaw (namely, being a fatass).
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P.S. I don't find Glick funny, but mainly because I don't think Martin Short has been funny in at least 20 years. On the other hand, I think Fat Bastard is hilarious, he was a major inspiration for one of my recurring NPCs: Smiley McBastard.
That's right, I mock fat people in almost every game I run. Hah!
And I hope someday one of them beats your hypocritical ass.
Of course, being the coward that you are, I'm sure you make sure you're surrounded by assholes like yourself who find such hateful humor funny and wouldn't even give you a dirty look over it, which would likely be more than a spinless maggot like you could take.
Quote from: Dominus Nox...who find such hateful humor funny...
So its a huge sin to rip the piss out of fat people (the majority of whom could go on a diet and not be such a burden on society), but anyone daring to fight the Man and discriminate against people based on a physical or linguistic difference (like, for example skin colour), is a modern day folk hero and should be lauded throughout the land?
:rollbarf:
Quote from: RPGPunditJesus christ, what next? Are we going to complain about Holywood's "denigrating" portrayal of "the stupid" as well? Is every fucking human failing now a protected minority??
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I'd rather see an anarchistic free for all, sniping at all human failings and mass rioting and murder incited...All the better for when R'Lyeh rises and great Cthulhu shall set us all free!:D
Quote from: StumpydaveSo its a huge sin to rip the piss out of fat people (the majority of whom could go on a diet and not be such a burden on society), but anyone daring to fight the Man and discriminate against people based on a physical or linguistic difference (like, for example skin colour), is a modern day folk hero and should be lauded throughout the land?
You talk of overweight people being a "burden" on society. If you want to talk that then remember than in america there are some groups who are a bigger burden on society, and commit more crimes than the rest of america's population to boot.
Of course we're not supposed to point that out, or we get called "RACIST!!". Fortuantely I openly admit that by PC standards I am a racist and proud to be one, so I don't care.
Quote from: Dominus NoxAnd I hope someday one of them beats your hypocritical ass.
Although in general they tend to be weak (given as how fatness usually indicates a lack of physical activity and a lack of personal discipline), there are some fat men who could kick my ass. Sumo wrestlers or some nightclub bouncers I've seen, for example.
But there are none who can outrun me. :D
Quote from: Dominus NoxYou talk of overweight people being a "burden" on society. If you want to talk that then remember than in america there are some groups who are a bigger burden on society, and commit more crimes than the rest of america's population to boot.
Of course we're not supposed to point that out, or we get called "RACIST!!". Fortuantely I openly admit that by PC standards I am a racist and proud to be one, so I don't care.
The average yearly cost of US Prison Incarceration is $22,787. In 2002 there were 586,700 black men in US prisons, for a total cost of $13.4 billion.
According to a study of national costs attributed to both overweight (BMI 25–29.9) and obesity (BMI greater than 30), medical expenses accounted for 9.1 percent of total U.S. medical expenditures in 1998 and may have reached as high as $78.5 billion ($92.6 billion in 2002 dollars)
I think you
are a racist and proud to be one. :(
Quote from: StuartThe average yearly cost of US Prison Incarceration is $22,787. In 2002 there were 586,700 black men in US prisons, for a total cost of $13.4 billion.
According to a study of national costs attributed to both overweight (BMI 25–29.9) and obesity (BMI greater than 30), medical expenses accounted for 9.1 percent of total U.S. medical expenditures in 1998 and may have reached as high as $78.5 billion ($92.6 billion in 2002 dollars)
First, looking at prison costs alone is not an accurate measure of the true cost of crime. At a minimum you would need to include the costs of court proceedings and the apprehension of the prisioners, not to mention calculate the damage of the crimes themselves.
Secondly, just looking at the amount of money spent on medical care of fat-asses doesn't measure their cost to society, unless you also determine who's spending the money. In the United States there isn't socialized medicine: when someone spends money on himself, it doesn't cost society
anything.
Quote from: hgjsIn the United States there isn't socialized medicine: when someone spends money on himself, it doesn't cost society anything.
"A U.S. government study in Washington has suggested the federal government currently pays 45 percent of the nation's health costs." -- Feb 21, 2007 (http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/index.php?feed=Science&article=UPI-1-20070221-11234900-bc-us-healthcare.xml)
Apparently there's a possibility that a virus may be linked to obesity in some cases:
http://www3.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/07/28/fat.virus.ap/index.html
http://docnews.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/full/2/1/13
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/biology/b103/f01/web1/webb.html
Quote from: droogApparently there's a possibility that a virus may be linked to obesity in some cases:
http://www3.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/07/28/fat.virus.ap/index.html
http://docnews.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/full/2/1/13
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/biology/b103/f01/web1/webb.html
It's certainly possible, but I think we should still regard overeating as a possible correlative factor.
Is this "virus" primarily spread by Triple Decker Big Macs?
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