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Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Dominus Nox on January 28, 2007, 04:44:46 PM
In recent interviews, CNN has talked with some muslim clerics in london, several of whom have openly admitted wanting to see the day when Sharia (Islamic law that cominates every aspect of life) is forcibly imposed on the UK by an army of muslims. Another cleric said the only politics he and his followers understood or believed in was picking up an AK 47 and shooting everyone who wouldn't live the way they said.

The same program polled london muslims and found that 13% felt that the terrorists who bombed the london subways and murdered innocent people are heroic martyrs.


But hey, ""it's only a few of the"m, right? Nooooooothing to worry about, so don't, right?

I'm sure a lot of people in europe felt the same way about a certain violent, vocal minority in germany once upon a time. But then again those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: James McMurray on January 28, 2007, 05:22:39 PM
Who ever said "nothing to worry about"? There's a difference between worrying about a subset of a race or religion and turning that worry into an irrational fear and hatred for all of that group's members.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: TonyLB on January 28, 2007, 05:41:09 PM
Quote from: Dominus NoxI'm sure a lot of people in europe felt the same way about a certain violent, vocal minority in germany once upon a time. But then again those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.
Wow ... you invoked Godwin's law on the first post of a new thread?  That's got to be some kind of record.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: RPGPundit on January 28, 2007, 06:06:22 PM
For someone else it'd be a record. For Nox, its just tea-time.

RPGPundit
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: One Horse Town on January 28, 2007, 06:13:15 PM
Yeah, some wankers in the US thought that the KKK were misrepresented too. The world is a shocking place.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Ian Absentia on January 28, 2007, 10:17:04 PM
Quote from: Dominus Nox...some...

...several...

...Another...

...13%...
Whatever, dude.  As you said so rightly, if everyone is going to accuse of you of being a "MORON!!!" and "IGNORAMUS!!!" you might as well be one.

!i!
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Dominus Nox on January 28, 2007, 11:23:01 PM
Quote from: TonyLBWow ... you invoked Godwin's law on the first post of a new thread?  That's got to be some kind of record.

Godwin's law was written by a fucking nazi in order to try intimidating people into not warning people about any bunch of fascists who want to try for a fourth reich, be it under a swastika or under a crescent moon and star.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Blackleaf on January 28, 2007, 11:47:02 PM
Nox vs Muslims aside for a moment...

"Godwin's Law" really is a load of crap.  It makes sense in it's natural habitat -- web forums about Star Trek where someone calls a mod "a nazi".  But when people are talking about race, politics, fascism, or world wars, and they want to compare/discuss what happened in Germany during the 30s -- the Godwin stuff is nonsense.

Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: droog on January 29, 2007, 12:32:08 AM
Submit to the will of Allah, Nox. You know you want to....
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: David R on January 29, 2007, 12:33:29 AM
I'm a bit surprised Nox. You say you admire the KKK because they are not hypocrites, but yet you are repulsed by Muslim extremists (I mean, surely they state their goals, much like the Klan - upfront). I can only conclude that you wouldn't mind living under the banner of the former but dread living under the yoke of the latter. You do realize that most sane folks would piss on both options...but you are a precious snowflake...and I still want to run a game for you.

Regards,
David R
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Kyle Aaron on January 29, 2007, 01:03:21 AM
Hey, David R, didn't you say somewhere you were "coloured", as they call it over in the ol' US of A? I think Nox only games with white anglo-saxon protestant males. Sorry, only wants to game. We know he doesn't actually game.

Come and game here Down Under in Melbourne, we're very multicultural. We've got Jews playing Vampire, lesbians playing D&D, moslems playing Traveller, Chinese playing 7th Sea... I mean, I even have an American in my game group at the moment, that's how open-minded we are! :confused:
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Dominus Nox on January 29, 2007, 01:14:17 AM
Quote from: David RI'm a bit surprised Nox. You say you admire the KKK because they are not hypocrites, but yet you are repulsed by Muslim extremists (I mean, surely they state their goals, much like the Klan - upfront). I can only conclude that you wouldn't mind living under the banner of the former but dread living under the yoke of the latter. You do realize that most sane folks would piss on both options...but you are a precious snowflake...and I still want to run a game for you.

Regards,
David R

Most klansmen really don't want to force their ways on anyone so much as they want to be left alone and not have others ways forced on them.

Most acts of klan violence are provoked by outsiders trying to force their ways on the lives of the members.

BTW, muslim extremists kill more people around the world in ONE MONTH than the KKK has killed since it's foundation in 1865, so comparisons between muslim extremists and them are unwarranted.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Kyle Aaron on January 29, 2007, 01:19:58 AM
Quote from: Dominus NoxMost klansmen really don't want to force their ways on anyone so much as they want to be left alone and not have others ways forced on them.

Most acts of klan violence are provoked by outsiders trying to force their ways on the lives of the members.

...

History by Dominus Nox! Like David Irving, only with less scholarship!
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Kyle Aaron on January 29, 2007, 01:31:24 AM
Song for Nox, from the great Hootie!

   Trouble with the world is we're too busy to think about it, all right
Why is there a rebel flag hanging from the state house walls?
Tired of hearin' this shit about heritage not hate
Time to make the world a better place
Why must we hate one another?
Well no matter what we gotta live together
Just that you don't look like me, tell me what do you see
When we pass on the street what do you wanna see
P.E.'s coming is all I gotta say
Wanna turn and run away
They're just telling you how they see it
Right or wrong they don't care, you wish that they would quit

Drowning in a sea of tears
Hatred trying to hide your fears
Living only for yourself
Hating everybody else
Cause they don't look like you
Nanci singing it's a hard life wherever you go
About some fat racist living in Chicago
Trying to teach his kids to hate everyone
Well tell me why is that something you wanna teach your son?
Why must we hate one another?
When the people in the church, they tell me you're my brother
You don't walk like me, ... you don't talk like me, saying
Go back to Africa, I just don't understand

I'm trying to be someone that he could look up to, but
When I walk down the street, tell me what do you see
I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man
No I'm not like you
Why do you hate me so
I don't know, I don't know, I don't know
Hating everybody else cause they don't look like you
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: joewolz on January 29, 2007, 01:35:53 AM
Quote from: Dominus NoxMost klansmen really don't want to force their ways on anyone so much as they want to be left alone and not have others ways forced on them.

Most acts of klan violence are provoked by outsiders trying to force their ways on the lives of the members.

BTW, muslim extremists kill more people around the world in ONE MONTH than the KKK has killed since it's foundation in 1865, so comparisons between muslim extremists and them are unwarranted.

Nox, I could quip or say something mean like everyone else here, or I could simply state fact.

I will simply state fact:  You're wrong.

There are no numbers on how many people the Klan has killed.  Many deaths went unreported in the 19th and 20th centuries, so we can't really argue your "one month" vs. 142 years figure.  However, the fact remains that the Klan doesn't simply "want to be left alone," that's nonsense.

Also nonsense is your statement that all Klan killings are provoked somehow by "outsiders trying to force their ways on the lives of the members".  That is also complete and utter nonsense.  Study your American history, bro, you'll find most of the Klan's killings are either of African Americans, Jews and Catholics living in the United States.  

There is no terrorist organization that can be seen as good.  The Klan are undoubtedly a terrorist organization.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Kyle Aaron on January 29, 2007, 01:47:27 AM
You honestly think he's going to say, "oh, really? Gee, I better check that" and go and do some history reading?

Honestly?

I think that's what we call the triumph of hope over experience, joewolz.

There's a damned good reason we just "quip or say something mean." And that's because reason doesn't work with bigots. It wasn't the force of reason that liberated slaves in the United States, nor was it the force of reason that brought in the civil rights Supreme Court decisions and federal laws.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: David R on January 29, 2007, 05:14:12 AM
Quote from: Dominus NoxMost klansmen really don't want to force their ways on anyone so much as they want to be left alone and not have others ways forced on them.

Most acts of klan violence are provoked by outsiders trying to force their ways on the lives of the members.

BTW, muslim extremists kill more people around the world in ONE MONTH than the KKK has killed since it's foundation in 1865, so comparisons between muslim extremists and them are unwarranted.

You do realize that your rants have now taken a turn for the worse , right? By this I mean, you're not amusing anymore (at least not to me) I mean before the perception of you was that of an ignorant overweight kid, with a persecution complex...now, you are just an ignorant hick, cruising for attention

I think it's best that I not respond to anything you say, be it on the rpg section or otherwise. I try to be civil at least when I don't agree with someone, but with you, I don't think I can manage even that. You don't really bother me, it's just the thought of someone like you participating in a hobby I enjoy, bothers me. But this is my problem not yours.

And you so missed the point of my post :brood:

Regards,
David R
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: droog on January 29, 2007, 05:21:29 AM
Scary thing is, David, there's a whole lot more where he comes from.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: David R on January 29, 2007, 05:30:10 AM
Quote from: droogScary thing is, David, there's a whole lot more where he comes from.

Yeah. I just wish I wasn't reminded of this fact on a RPG forum, you dig? Unrealistic I know, but still...

Regards,
David R
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: PhishStyx on January 29, 2007, 05:30:38 AM
Say Nox, I think you're on the wrong message board.

h ttp://www.stormfront.org/forum/

clearly seems to be the place for you.

G'wan, have fun with your bigoted friends, leave the rest of us alone.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Kyle Aaron on January 29, 2007, 05:36:00 AM
Quote from: droogScary thing is, David, there's a whole lot more where he comes from.
Of course my experience is not universal, but I've found less racists in roleplaying than the general population. Just as many people with sexist or class-based prejudices, but many less racists.

Whereas the Army, for example, there were more racists than the general population - though this varied a lot by unit.

Have others found the people they've gamed with to be more or less bigoted in various ways? I'm assuming that you won't game regularly with very bigoted people, but you'll meet them if they're around.

Maybe I should have a poll... racism, sexism and classism in gamers compared to others you've known.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: David R on January 29, 2007, 06:42:11 AM
Quote from: JimBobOzHave others found the people they've gamed with to be more or less bigoted in various ways? I'm assuming that you won't game regularly with very bigoted people, but you'll meet them if they're around.

Maybe I should have a poll... racism, sexism and classism in gamers compared to others you've known.

I took droog's post to mean that there were a hell of a lot of folks like Nox out there not necessarily solely in a gamer context.

As for gaming, no racists, but I've encountered my share of them on message boards, although to be fair, most times not as overt as Nox.

Your poll would reveal only a small minority of folks have encountered racists gamers. As for the other two, I think sexism and classism are more exceptable to most folks, just a hunch.

Regards,
David R
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Garry G on January 29, 2007, 07:35:48 AM
After all the scare stories we've heard I think it's fantastic of Nox to make us aware that it's only a minority of Muslims in London that want this and thus it's only logical that the percentage that are actually willing to commit violence to achieve that goal must be even smaller. We should all thank Nox for showing us that the vast majority of Muslims are reasonable people.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Balbinus on January 29, 2007, 07:43:55 AM
Quote from: Garry GAfter all the scare stories we've heard I think it's fantastic of Nox to make us aware that it's only a minority of Muslims in London that want this and thus it's only logical that the percentage that are actually willing to commit violence to achieve that goal must be even smaller. We should all thank Nox for showing us that the vast majority of Muslims are reasonable people.

Quite.

Otherwise, I entirely fail to get excited that a group of religious folk would like their religion to become the dominant one.  Most religions work that way, and if you genuinely believe your religion to be correct and a route to a better life you'd have to be one selfish-ass fuck not to want everyone else to share in it.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Geoff Hall on January 29, 2007, 08:39:20 AM
Quote from: BalbinusQuite.

Otherwise, I entirely fail to get excited that a group of religious folk would like their religion to become the dominant one.  Most religions work that way, and if you genuinely believe your religion to be correct and a route to a better life you'd have to be one selfish-ass fuck not to want everyone else to share in it.

Indeed and as the (proclaimed by Eddie Izzard) Roman God of Biscuits I wish to state my new manifesto.  Hobnobs for all!

(And Fox's Classics for those who really want them.)
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Balbinus on January 29, 2007, 09:31:32 AM
Also, it's nice they're open about it.  That's quite democratic really, it allows us to know where the guys advocating that stand and to assess it on its merits.  People covertly supporting it would be far more of a concern.

In a democracy people have a right to desire political change, and indeed to work to make their vision of the better society a reality.  That's true for these guys as much as anyone else.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: James McMurray on January 29, 2007, 11:24:38 AM
QuoteMost acts of klan violence are provoked by outsiders trying to force their ways on the lives of the members.

Yeah! Like those evil black people and their wicked house purchasing ways!
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Anthrobot on January 29, 2007, 01:19:39 PM
Quote from: JimBobOzAnd that's because reason doesn't work with bigots. It wasn't the force of reason that liberated slaves in the United States, nor was it the force of reason that brought in the civil rights Supreme Court decisions and federal laws.

Strange...when I tried to champion UK legislation against anti gay religious bigots, I was accused of overreacting.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Kyle Aaron on January 29, 2007, 05:47:05 PM
Quote from: AnthrobotStrange...when I tried to champion UK legislation against anti gay religious bigots, I was accused of overreacting.
Exactly. Because the people you were talking to know that legislation is relatively effective at crushing the expression of bigotry; and if the expression is crushed for long enough, the bigotry itself eventually withers away.

If you were just trying to reason with them, then nobody would have cared. They cared that you were proposing effective action.

Now, why would they care that you were proposing effective action to deal with anti-gay bigotry? Well... in this case, no great mystery. As I said above, racism may be relatively rare amongst gamers, but the other prejudices are thriving by comparison.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Zalmoxis on January 30, 2007, 12:40:53 AM
All I want is a perky little Jewish Princess. With overworked gums, who squeaks when she cums.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Zalmoxis on January 30, 2007, 12:46:24 AM
Quote from: Dominus NoxMost acts of klan violence are provoked by outsiders trying to force their ways on the lives of the members.

Having known actual Klansmen, I know with 100% certainty that you, sir, are full of Shiite. Klansmen hate niggers. There really isn't any reason to it. Ask one and they'll spout off some nonsense and promptly change the subject to something else. Some of the Klan violence was based more on fear of outsiders if you go back far enough... but the last 60 or so years? Nah. It's just raw, pure hatred and ignorance. In many ways, it's just like the Islamic Fascists.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Dominus Nox on January 30, 2007, 01:35:03 AM
Quote from: ZalmoxisHaving known actual Klansmen, I know with 100% certainty that you, sir, are full of Shiite. Klansmen hate niggers. There really isn't any reason to it. Ask one and they'll spout off some nonsense and promptly change the subject to something else. Some of the Klan violence was based more on fear of outsiders if you go back far enough... but the last 60 or so years? Nah. It's just raw, pure hatred and ignorance. In many ways, it's just like the Islamic Fascists.

QUICK! Name a single KKK suicide bomber!
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Kyle Aaron on January 30, 2007, 01:48:41 AM
Klan members lack the courage to do suicide bombings. They'd rather bomb from a safe distance.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Garry G on January 30, 2007, 06:28:07 AM
Quote from: Dominus NoxQUICK! Name a single KKK suicide bomber!

I can find you a photo of some strange fruit if you want. Plenty bigots posing around that one likesay.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Garry G on January 30, 2007, 06:37:33 AM
Here you go nox the people you respect so much.

(http://anomalias.weblog.com.pt/arquivo/linchar.jpg)
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: PhishStyx on January 30, 2007, 02:37:31 PM
Quote from: Dominus NoxQUICK! Name a single KKK suicide bomber!

So the KKK murderers are ok people because they didn't commit suicide at the same time?

ah. Well, that surely makes sense in bizarro Nox-Land
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: droog on January 30, 2007, 05:10:22 PM
Suicide bomber

(http://www.heywakeupamerica.com/images/suicide_bomber_1_.jpg)


Homicide bomber

(http://www.cnn.com/US/9906/21/us.kosovo/link.b1.bomber.jpg)
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Zalmoxis on February 01, 2007, 12:29:45 AM
Quote from: Dominus NoxQUICK! Name a single KKK suicide bomber!

No matter how dumb the Klan are, even they are smart enough not to kill themselves while killing others. I mean, that's lunacy!
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Thanatos02 on February 01, 2007, 12:36:48 PM
Suicide bombing isn't the worst crime evar. To say so is to invite ridicule at ones  own expense. At most, the action is tied with killing non-combatants in any form for unjust reasons, at that is something the Klan has a long, long history of doing. To say otherwise is to be blindly ignorant of the facts and let some crime other then the goose-steppers you fear so much run rampant under your nose until you finally notice that.

I mean, we can get into the ethics of uneven wars and suicide bombers later, if you want, but it's fucking moot. The Klan is an organization of bigots designed to support bigotry. If you find that acceptible, then you're a racist and a prick. Being silent about your racism isn't any worse then being noisy, and at least they 'hypocrits' don't keep broadcasting their retarded, ill-formed malice in my direction, so I guess I prefer those.

Which means I guess I'd be happier if you shut up about it, Nox.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Christmas Ape on February 01, 2007, 01:53:33 PM
I haven't read the replies - almost certainly for good reason - but you know something?

It's a shame Nox is such a goddamn knuckle dragger, because in all honesty, I'd be a little wigged out if there was a chunk of my country's population proudly declaring "I want my country's penal system to include maiming, whippings, and death by live burial for things the civilized world doesn't consider crimes - because a desert hermit of the Middle Ages said his invisible friend told him it should!" The genuine "there are forces within this group that will behead you for not believing in their book" fear that should be in place here is drowned out by the clear and common knowledge that those brown folk just make Nox so darn angry!

For the record, I'm just as concerned when the American Christian right declares they want abortion made a capital crime, or homosexuality declared a mental illness requiring court-ordered chemical personality alteration. Neither the persistent hallucinations of the indocrinated nor the poorly translated and intentionally rewritten scribblings of assorted desert scribes that predate the steam engine have any place making decisions for my life, nor the lives of others. Personally, I don't think anybody with such an anti-human base for their world view as the Big Three Abrahamic religions (I mean real genuine "We don't need to look after the Earth, the Rapture is at hand" type belief, not "We go to church on Sunday and don't swear much type believers) should really be raising the next generation of humans, but there's always such a stink raised when you talk about the idea that maybe unrestrained and unchecked procreation is against our best interests at this point.

I mean, yeah, Nox appears unable to get his greasy fingers onto that disturbingly stained keyboard without taking a giant text-based shit in everybody's lap, and clearly only brought this up to point a grimy nail at it and scream "SEE?! FUCKING TOWELHEADS HATE US DECENT WHITE PEOPLE!", but anyone dismissing the actual ramifications of living under sharia law is either exceedingly boring, already a Muslim, or are just leaping to the attack.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: James McMurray on February 01, 2007, 02:07:02 PM
I don't dismiss the ramifications of living under Sharia law, I dismiss the possibility. It would take us losing the third world war for the American government system to be replaced with that.

But if it does happen, I'm moving to Uruguay. ;)
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Christmas Ape on February 01, 2007, 02:41:27 PM
Quote from: James McMurrayI don't dismiss the ramifications of living under Sharia law, I dismiss the possibility. It would take us losing the third world war for the American government system to be replaced with that.

But if it does happen, I'm moving to Uruguay. ;)
Oh, sure. It's astoundingly unlikely...but to make the call for an Islamic nation is to demand civil rights and human freedom submit to superstition and willful ignorance. Similarly for a Christian nation, a Buddhist nation, and a Neo-Pagan patchouli-stinking crystal-rubber nation, lest someone think I'm painting with too narrow a brush. ;) It should be of concern to anyone who values making their own choices that -anyone- wants to drag us kicking and screaming back into the dark ages to worship at the blood-soaked altar of their ancestor's ignorance, and I don't think that just because it's a belief it should be ignored. I should think if I demanded the repeal of women's suffrage and the civil rights movement because the Thrice-Headed Simian of Morocco told me that all political progress since 1910 is unacceptable, I would be thought of as backwards, uncivilized, and more than a little crazy - and rightly so. I'm just pointing out that objectively, there's not much of a difference.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Garry G on February 03, 2007, 08:02:11 AM
As I pointed out it's a minority that want Sharia law. I find this quite heartening.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Werekoala on February 03, 2007, 01:41:53 PM
Quote from: Garry GAs I pointed out it's a minority that want Sharia law. I find this quite heartening.

For what its worth, I would point out that a minority wanted American independence from England too. Or that a minority (and a pretty small one when you consider number of voters vs. total number of citizens) voted for Bush the first time out.

It dosn't always take a majority to make a difference.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Ian Absentia on February 03, 2007, 04:20:41 PM
This article (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/02/wjesus02.xml) made me think of Nox, particularly this quote:
Quote"It's come to the point where the Catholic faith has no defence and it is something to be laughed at, to be made a joke of. The Christian doctrine is exploited but everyone is very careful to be respectful of Islam."
You see?  It's been a few centuries since Christians have been willing to off somone for something as simple as blasphemy.  Start getting soft and nobody takes a relegion seriously anymore. :(

!i!
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Dominus Nox on February 03, 2007, 06:46:41 PM
Quote from: WerekoalaFor what its worth, I would point out that a minority wanted American independence from England too. Or that a minority (and a pretty small one when you consider number of voters vs. total number of citizens) voted for Bush the first time out.

It dosn't always take a majority to make a difference.

You finally got something right, WK. It had to happen sooner or later.

Remember that only a minority of germans were followers of nazins and hitler, but the minority made the deciscions. Hell, a majority of american voters voted against bush in 2000, and that worthless piece of shit still ended up becomeing, in his own words "the decider" on wars.

If the majority sits on it's ass and does nothing but 'disagree" but then does what it's told by the minority, wht the hell does the majority matter?

They tell us that the 'majority" of iranians are tired of repressive shariah domination and want a more free culture, but the minority, lead by a nutcase who probably whacks off looking at pictures of jews in concentration camps, is the "decision maker" over there, and we have to deal with that, not the irrelevant majority.

When the majority doesn't stop the minority from doing what it wants, the majority becomes irrelevant and should be treated as such.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Werekoala on February 03, 2007, 07:39:11 PM
Quote from: Dominus NoxYou finally got something right, WK. It had to happen sooner or later.

*snicker*

I mean, um, thanks! :D
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: droog on February 03, 2007, 07:54:48 PM
Quote from: WerekoalaFor what its worth, I would point out that a minority wanted American independence from England too. Or that a minority (and a pretty small one when you consider number of voters vs. total number of citizens) voted for Bush the first time out.
In the first case, that 'minority' was a sizeable chunk of the ruling class.

In the second case, that's a function of the electoral college system.

Neither of which apply to a small percentage of a small percentage of the population of the UK.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Werekoala on February 03, 2007, 08:00:36 PM
Quote from: droogIn the first case, that 'minority' was a sizeable chunk of the ruling class.

In the second case, that's a function of the electoral college system.

Neither of which apply to a small percentage of a small percentage of the population of the UK.

Not yet. With the declining "native" British birthrates and increased immigration, I'd expect that'll be changing over the next few decades.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: droog on February 03, 2007, 08:10:34 PM
From the 2001 census:

(http://www.statistics.gov.uk/images/charts/293.gif)

So if 13% of people identifying as Muslim want a state of Sharia law, that's like 0.35% of the population. Dangerous!
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Kyle Aaron on February 03, 2007, 09:40:56 PM
Watch out for those "Not stated" bastards! For every two Moslems in the UK, there are five people who say, "none of your fucking business." Those people who want privacy, have to watch out for them! Dodgy buggers.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Garry G on February 03, 2007, 09:45:47 PM
Quote from: WerekoalaFor what its worth, I would point out that a minority wanted American independence from England too. Or that a minority (and a pretty small one when you consider number of voters vs. total number of citizens) voted for Bush the first time out.

It dosn't always take a majority to make a difference.

Over this particular issue it absolutely would. The UK is moving away from religion being involved in politics which is a fine thing in my eyes. I'm not saying it's not possible I'm saying we won't let it happen. In fact I'm saying the majority of Muslims won't let it happen.

And fuck what Nox says my Muslim mates are fucking sound and always the first to invite numpties like me to have a game of cricket and hang out. I have no idea what kind of Muslims he hangs out with.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Werekoala on February 03, 2007, 10:26:03 PM
Quote from: Garry GOver this particular issue it absolutely would. The UK is moving away from religion being involved in politics which is a fine thing in my eyes. I'm not saying it's not possible I'm saying we won't let it happen. In fact I'm saying the majority of Muslims won't let it happen.

And fuck what Nox says my Muslim mates are fucking sound and always the first to invite numpties like me to have a game of cricket and hang out. I have no idea what kind of Muslims he hangs out with.

Well, I was just making a general point about the power of a minority. I sincerely hope you're right about England, by the way. Been to London a few times and loved it! Would be a shame if something were to happen to it.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Garry G on February 03, 2007, 10:51:33 PM
Quote from: WerekoalaWell, I was just making a general point about the power of a minority. I sincerely hope you're right about England, by the way. Been to London a few times and loved it! Would be a shame if something were to happen to it.

You're point isn't a bad one but I don't think we're heading that way.

Please don't call us England it can be irksome for us Scots.:)
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: droog on February 03, 2007, 11:17:06 PM
There is about as much chance of the UK becoming a fundamentalist Islamic state as there is of me becoming a Pentecostalist.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Werekoala on February 03, 2007, 11:17:41 PM
Quote from: Garry GYou're point isn't a bad one but I don't think we're heading that way.

Please don't call us England it can be irksome for us Scots.:)

As a Texan, I can actually understand where yer coming from. ;)
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: hgjs on February 04, 2007, 01:50:55 AM
Quote from: Garry GYou're point isn't a bad one but I don't think we're heading that way.

Please don't call us England it can be irksome for us Scots.:)

You know, even when we Americans say UK or Britain we usually really are thinking of England.  As far as most of us are concerned, it's the only part of the UK worth mentioning. :p

Ireland only exists on St. Patrick's Day or when we're hearing a news report about someone getting blown up.  Scotland is where Guinness and bagpipes come from.  Wales isn't even on the radar screen.

You know, sort of like how America is California, Texas, and New York. ;)
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Ian Absentia on February 04, 2007, 01:56:54 AM
Quote from: Dominus NoxRemember that only a minority of germans were followers of nazins and hitler, but the minority made the deciscions. Hell, a majority of american voters voted against bush in 2000, and that worthless piece of shit still ended up becomeing, in his own words "the decider" on wars.
And don't even get me started on those God damned mountain lions. :mad:

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Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Stumpydave on February 04, 2007, 01:37:58 PM
Quote from: Garry GI have no idea what kind of Muslims he hangs out with.

(http://www.mahoninghistory.org/images/img078b-klan.JPG)

"Dude, these burkhas are, like, totally lame!"
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Akrasia on February 04, 2007, 03:48:56 PM
Quote from: hgjsYou know, even when we Americans say UK or Britain we usually really are thinking of England.  As far as most of us are concerned, it's the only part of the UK worth mentioning. :p

Ireland only exists on St. Patrick's Day or when we're hearing a news report about someone getting blown up.  Scotland is where Guinness and bagpipes come from.  Wales isn't even on the radar screen.

You know, sort of like how America is California, Texas, and New York. ;)

FYI:
Guinness is Irish, not Scottish.
The Republic of Ireland -- including Dublin, where Guinness is brewed (although there is also a brewery in London) -- is not part of the UK (unlike Scotland, Wales, England, and Northern Ireland).  Including RoI as part of the UK is like including Canada as part of the U.S.

You Americans.  :rolleyes:
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: James McMurray on February 04, 2007, 04:01:54 PM
Canada isn't part of the US?
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Dominus Nox on February 04, 2007, 04:49:40 PM
Quote from: James McMurrayCanada isn't part of the US?

No, THEY have healthcare for all citizens, THEY finally realized that laws against marijuana were only creating more crime and putting people who didn't belong there in prison and THEY realized that gays are people who have rights and not some sort of diseased vermin to be persecuted.

In short, they're way ahead of america on a lot of cultural and civil issues now.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: James McMurray on February 04, 2007, 05:07:38 PM
Then why didn't Jesus give them a president?
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Dominus Nox on February 04, 2007, 07:39:32 PM
Quote from: James McMurrayThen why didn't Jesus give them a president?

Because he must love them more.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: James McMurray on February 04, 2007, 08:08:08 PM
So is that where you plan to move to when you leave your mom's basement?
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Dominus Nox on February 04, 2007, 09:12:55 PM
Quote from: James McMurraySo is that where you plan to move to when you leave your mom's basement?


Just leave remarks about people's mothers out of things. That's the kind of shit I expect from certain groups and those stupid enough to emulate them.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: James McMurray on February 04, 2007, 09:17:41 PM
Dude, you're taking offense because I said your mom owns a basement? Sure, it's technically a "remark about someone's mother." But offensive?
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Dominus Nox on February 04, 2007, 09:31:46 PM
Quote from: James McMurrayDude, you're taking offense because I said your mom owns a basement? Sure, it's technically a "remark about someone's mother." But offensive?


Reffering to someone's mother as part of an insult to them is just about the lowest kind of trash talk there is, and only trash, like you, jimboboz and paladin, resort to it.

You've never seen me do that sort of thing on any forum. Know why? Because I'm better than you.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: James McMurray on February 04, 2007, 09:48:20 PM
Uh dude, the insult was completely directed at you. The fact that it contained your mother at worst indicates that 1) she owns a basement and 2) she cares enough about her child not to let him go homeless.

I can't really stop you from being upset by that, but then again you can't stop me from being amused by the inanity of it. :D
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Ian Absentia on February 04, 2007, 09:52:35 PM
Quote from: Dominus NoxJust leave remarks about people's mothers out of things. That's the kind of shit I expect from certain groups and those stupid enough to emulate them.
Okay, Nox.  You supplied the pile of poo, now let's see you avoid stepping in it.

Which certain groups[/b] would those happen to be?

Now, remember -- you are not a "RACIST!!!"

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Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Dominus Nox on February 04, 2007, 10:01:42 PM
Quote from: Ian AbsentiaOkay, Nox.  You supplied the pile of poo, now let's see you avoid stepping in it.

Which certain groups[/b] would those happen to be?

Now, remember -- you are not a "RACIST!!!"

!i!

No, I most certainly am a "racist" by some definitions and proud of it. The only way not to be a "racist" by some definitions is to hand your brain over to the thought police, ignore the truth and relaity while letting the PC gestalt consciousness dictate your opinions on every issue. I think for myself based on what I percieve, and am proud to be such a person and not a mindless little kool aid drinker.

Fuck that, if it's a choice between letting someone else think for me or being a "racist" by some definitions then hey, pardon me while I get my hood on and fire up a cross.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Ian Absentia on February 04, 2007, 10:09:20 PM
You didn't answer the question, numbwit.

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Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: PhishStyx on February 04, 2007, 11:50:08 PM
Quote from: Dominus NoxNo, I most certainly am a "racist" because I FUCKING HATE THE BROWN PEOPLE!11


I see, and how long have you been a klan-boi?
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Hackmastergeneral on February 05, 2007, 07:38:59 PM
Quote from: Dominus NoxNo, I most certainly am a "racist" by some definitions and proud of it. The only way not to be a "racist" by some definitions is to hand your brain over to the thought police, ignore the truth and relaity while letting the PC gestalt consciousness dictate your opinions on every issue. I think for myself based on what I percieve, and am proud to be such a person and not a mindless little kool aid drinker.

Fuck that, if it's a choice between letting someone else think for me or being a "racist" by some definitions then hey, pardon me while I get my hood on and fire up a cross.

What you seem to miss is theres a VAST CHASM of difference between "not going along with PC mindthink" and "getting my hood and fireing up a cross".

But in point of fact you ARE a racist.  You're complete and utter lack of anything related to a moral soul confirms this.  And the fact you hate brown people.
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: Dominus Nox on February 05, 2007, 09:21:10 PM
Quote from: HackmastergeneralWhat you seem to miss is theres a VAST CHASM of difference between "not going along with PC mindthink" and "getting my hood and fireing up a cross".

But in point of fact you ARE a racist.  You're complete and utter lack of anything related to a moral soul confirms this.  And the fact you hate brown people.

Hey, if a group is going to call everyone who disagrees with them a (insert negative lable) then I don't blame people who disagree with them from mocking them by saying "Yeah, sure, you're right, I disagree with you so I'm a (negative lable)."

I wouldn't blame people who disagree with bush, for example, if they all put on big fake beards, dirty robes and rags on their heads and said "Ok, we support terrorism. Now can we deal with the other issues?"

I mean, the bush regime accuses evryone who doesn't agrtee with them of "supporting terrorism" so it might be actually funny if they openly mocked this assertion by saying "Yeah, sure, right, we're terrorist supporters by your definition, now let's discuss the real issue."

Then when the bus propaganda ministry calls them terrorist suppoerts they can yell "Yes, we agree that by your standards we're terrorist supporters! Now can we talk about something else?!?!"
Title: Muslims in London openly want islamic UK
Post by: PhishStyx on February 05, 2007, 10:41:22 PM
Quote from: Dominus NoxHey, if a group is going to call everyone who disagrees with them a (insert negative lable) then I don't blame people who disagree with them from mocking them by saying "Yeah, sure, you're right, I disagree with you so I'm a (negative lable)."

Perhaps the problem is that you don't understand the concept of mocking because that is not it.