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Let's argue over a 27 year old move for the billionth time. (Starship Troopers)

Started by Ratman_tf, October 28, 2024, 07:03:34 PM

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Ratman_tf

October 28, 2024, 07:03:34 PM
Why am I supposed to feel bad about being a naughty fascist when the bad "guys" literally suck a dude's brains out?
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Omega

#1
October 28, 2024, 08:14:24 PM
You arent. You are supposed to applaud it. And they are fashists how? Because one dresses like one?

The problem is that people keep claiming the BOOK is faschist. When it very is not. Its closer to Socialist I guess? Only people who are willing to serve the community in some way get to vote. And anyone applying has to be found a place. Even if its a desk job or dog catcher.

Lurkndog

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October 29, 2024, 02:13:37 PM Last Edit: October 29, 2024, 02:17:06 PM by Lurkndog
My issue is that the politics are merely a backdrop for the centerpiece of the novel, its true big idea, the powered armor. The actual starship troopers.

Which, of course, are omitted from the movie.

And instead we get a military that operates like duded-up World War II infantry. It's not even Vietnam-level tactics.

Now if someone does a proper Starship Troopers movie, people will say they're ripping off Iron Man.

David Johansen

#3
October 29, 2024, 02:45:08 PM
It warmed my heart to see that the Martian Marines in The Expanse have actual powered armour. 

But yeah, no powered armour and really bad tactics.  Why are all the ships so close together that they collide?  Space is really big you know.  Why are the fort's structural supports outside the walls?  If they knew about the bugs, why aren't they armed with weapons designed to kill the bugs?
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Lurkndog

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October 29, 2024, 05:34:09 PM
And where are the tanks and APCs and simple bombers that would annihilate the bugs?

Add some big pots of boiling water and some drawn butter, those things always made me hungry for crab legs.

ForgottenF

#5
October 29, 2024, 10:02:36 PM
What I've always heard is that Paul Verhoeven had someone else read read the book for him, and they told him it was fascist, and then he just projected that onto his movie. A lot of Verhoeven's Hollywood movies seem to be attempts to satirize his Euro-weenie perceptions of America. The irony is that in doing so, he wound up making some of the best schlock American action movies of his era.

Sargon of Akkad made a pretty interesting video on Starship Troopers a long time ago, which among other things, makes the case that Verhoeven botched the satire to the extent that even in his movie the Terran Federation is entirely in the right.

(The argument about the movie starts at around 1:03:20 of the video.)

Ratman_tf

#6
October 29, 2024, 11:41:43 PM
Quote from: ForgottenF on October 29, 2024, 10:02:36 PMSargon of Akkad made a pretty interesting video on Starship Troopers a long time ago, which among other things, makes the case that Verhoeven botched the satire to the extent that even in his movie the Terran Federation is entirely in the right.

(The argument about the movie starts at around 1:03:20 of the video.)

Oh yeah. The things that make the movie palatable for me is the cheesy action movie aspect, the excellent soundtrack, and that Verhoeven either made a complete faceplant of a satire of fascism, or a very smart satire of satire itself. The only reason I think that's a possibility is because some scenes are lifted right out of the book, and then mangled into a parody strawman version, as if he's daring the watcher whose read the book to notice.
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

Omega

#7
October 31, 2024, 04:36:24 AM
Its typical woke media. Just the 90s version.

I'd rather watch the anime than the movie ever again. The anime totally botched the bugs to the point they are not even bugs. They are some sort of bio-morphic things. What they got right was the power armor.

BoxCrayonTales

#8
October 31, 2024, 11:06:35 AM
https://youtu.be/O4NEcDO9MNA

On another note, I think we need an alternative franchise that is true to the themes of the novel. Gender equality, racial equality and diversity (Johnny is Filipino in the book), etc.

I have a few ideas myself, including riffing on Starcraft, Aliens, etc.

Spinachcat

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October 31, 2024, 07:36:29 PM Last Edit: October 31, 2024, 07:38:11 PM by Spinachcat
I enjoyed the movie and I will enjoy it again in the future.

But I am a deplorable, irredeemable garbage Nazi cultist of the Orange Man Bad.

Happily too!

And now let us enjoy the best fight scene in the flick:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgq0ecMHfzc

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