Quote from: Jackalope;244378She didn't create a budget surplus.  She actually generated the largest budget in Alaskan history, but did so during a period of record oil company profits which created a windfall in the state budget.  Basically she blew all of the grocery money on crap, but just happened to luck out and buy a winning lottery ticket.

I suppose you then think Bill Clinton "lucked" into a budget surplus while riding the tech industry bubble?

Quote from: CavScout;244385I suppose you then think Bill Clinton "lucked" into a budget surplus while riding the tech industry bubble?

I think anyone with a basic grasp of economics agrees with that.

Quote from: Jackalope;244383She seems like your typically inept Republican to me.  Clever and cunning enough to manipulate voters, but utterly incompetent at the actual management of a government.  No comprehension of politics as the art of compromise.

I suspect that if she weren't a beauty queen, we'd have never heard of her.  I'm seeing a repeat of the Bush effect all over again.  Except instead of Republicans thinking she'd be fun to have a beer with, she's the chick they wish they could bang.  VPILF.

I don't know that I would characterize it that way. I said as much about the price of oil in my original post. My concerns about her are more dire than Biden. Biden just seems like a standard issue VP candidate, old white rich man.

Bill

Quote from: Jackalope;244389I think anyone with a basic grasp of economics agrees with that.

First time I've seen you behave consistently on an issue like this. :hatsoff:

Quote from: HinterWelt;244390I don't know that I would characterize it that way. I said as much about the price of oil in my original post. My concerns about her are more dire than Biden. Biden just seems like a standard issue VP candidate, old white rich man.

First of all, let's acknowledge something different about Palin and Biden: Biden will only get into office if Obama is assassinated.  Obama is young, healthy and unlikely to suddenly keel over.  Palin is unlikely to become vice-president by assassination, but she'd be one stroke away from the highest office.

Biden seems like the sort of politician who, in the case of an assassination, would wrap up the business strarted by Obama and then not run for re-election.  He's old-school, and recognizes that assassination leaves the Veep in the position of caretaker, a steward for a legacy.  That's why LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act, despite his own misgivings -- he believed it was essential to JFK's legacy.

Sarah Palin seems, and this is just my impression of her life story, not based on any political stances she holds, like the sort of person who would see a stroke as a sign from god, a mandate to lead, and would take office as if she'd be elected.

Some people could see that as appealing, or not.

Quote from: CavScout;244391First time I've seen you behave consistently on an issue like this. :hatsoff:

You wouldn't recognize consistency if it beat you across the face with it's cock.

Quote from: Jackalope;244438You wouldn't recognize consistency if it beat you across the face with it's cock.

Jackie - just place a personal ad .
For pity's sake its like you're obsessed with body parts.


- Ed C.

Quote from: Jackalope;244437First of all, let's acknowledge something different about Palin and Biden: Biden will only get into office if Obama is assassinated.  Obama is young, healthy and unlikely to suddenly keel over.  Palin is unlikely to become vice-president by assassination, but she'd be one stroke away from the highest office.

Biden seems like the sort of politician who, in the case of an assassination, would wrap up the business strarted by Obama and then not run for re-election.  He's old-school, and recognizes that assassination leaves the Veep in the position of caretaker, a steward for a legacy.  That's why LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act, despite his own misgivings -- he believed it was essential to JFK's legacy.

Sarah Palin seems, and this is just my impression of her life story, not based on any political stances she holds, like the sort of person who would see a stroke as a sign from god, a mandate to lead, and would take office as if she'd be elected.

Some people could see that as appealing, or not.

Those are valid observations but not ones I have come to. I do worry about Palin's "religion" and how much it influences her decision making but I have not seen much that indicates it is too severe (recently). One of the reasons the book banning incident is so important to me is it is indicative of some serious (to me) issues. Things like cutting aid to a shelter for pregnant teens and her stance on abortion do not help;i.e. making a case for the Sky Fairy telling her what is right.

So, I am waiting to see if the book banning story rises to the top and continue researching.

Bill

Quote from: Jackalope;244438You wouldn't recognize consistency if it beat you across the face with it's cock.

Is it your argument that you weren't consistent?

Quote from: HinterWelt;244444Those are valid observations but not ones I have come to. I do worry about Palin's "religion" and how much it influences her decision making but I have not seen much that indicates it is too severe (recently). One of the reasons the book banning incident is so important to me is it is indicative of some serious (to me) issues. Things like cutting aid to a shelter for pregnant teens and her stance on abortion do not help;i.e. making a case for the Sky Fairy telling her what is right.

When you refer to devote followers of, say, Islam, do you use the term "Sky Fairy"?

Quote from: CavScout;244448When you refer to devote followers of, say, Islam, do you use the term "Sky Fairy"?

Yes.

Bill

Edit: also Jews. I imagine anyone who worships a Sky Fairy. Just Christians have the gay Hippie Son.

Edit 2: Oh, and no, I do not think anyone should be forced to give up their particular worship of their particular sky fairy just as you should not be forced to "respect" them for that worship.

Quote from: CavScout;244342Nonsense. If a parent was a strong advocate of not drinking and driving and their teen gets busted for DUI, how does that reflect that the parent supports drinking and driving?

It doesn't necessarily reflect a single aspect of the parent -- i.e. just because a child drinks and drives doesn't mean that the parent necessarily does the same or advocates it.  However, I think it does reflect on their parenting in general.  If my son (in eight years) were busted for drinking and driving, I would feel guilty about it, and think that I hadn't raised him right.  And if my son were hit by another kid who was drinking and driving, I'd be angry with their parents and want to look into them.  

Children are a reflection of not just what we outwardly claim, but what we actually do in our private life with them.  

Quote from: jeff37923;244358If the family members are actively involved with the campaigning, then they are fair game and it is disingenuous to claim that they are "off limits". Chelsea Clinton was campaigning for Hillary Clinton for the democrat presidential candidacy and Michelle Obama continues to campaign for Barack Obama for the presidential candidacy - which means that since they are deliberately getting involved to provide support, then they are willing to also suffer the hardships that will come with providing that support. As far as I can tell, the pregnant 17 year old Bristol Palin has never campaigned for Sarah Palin even though she is her daughter - so she is wisely staying out of the fray and should therefore be left alone.

Even if Bristol had publicly spoken in support her mom at some point instead of just being in publicity photos, I don't think most of the comments on her would be justified.  I think there's a simpler rule about this: don't be a jerk.  Unfortunately, people have been total jerks about her -- and in general, we've seen that supporters of both parties can be total jerks.

Quote from: jeff37923;244358Got proof?


If the family members are actively involved with the campaigning, then they are fair game and it is disingenuous to claim that they are "off limits". Chelsea Clinton was campaigning for Hillary Clinton for the democrat presidential candidacy and Michelle Obama continues to campaign for Barack Obama for the presidential candidacy - which means that since they are deliberately getting involved to provide support, then they are willing to also suffer the hardships that will come with providing that support. As far as I can tell, the pregnant 17 year old Bristol Palin has never campaigned for Sarah Palin even though she is her daughter - so she is wisely staying out of the fray and should therefore be left alone.

It seems logical enough to me, but then again I don't fill my posts with backslashes.

The proof I have is it happened, it's on video, it's documented and if you want to claim it didn't happen, YOU find the proof it didn't.

As to Chelsea in the modern campaign, I was talking about when she was 13, just when Bill Clinton was moving into the white house. Nothing that happened 15 years later affects that so your argument is invalid.

Quote from: CavScout;244363So, just so we understand, you say it's OK to be a dick as long as someone, somewhere, was a dick to someone, somewhere on your side?

Yeah, sure.

Quote from: CavScout;244366I think he forgot what account he was logged in on and has forgotten that this one is supposed to be the "\" one.

:teehee:

After having a credit card stolen online, I've put in some security measures. One of them caused that / problem on some servers.

I hope someday you have a credit card stolen so you can see what it's like.

PS your TeeHee smiley? Only a total gayboy would use that.