What bothers me is that republicans really seem to be the masters of open faced hypocrisy. I mean, we hear all about McCain\'s vietnam record, but remember 4 years ago? When John Kerry was running? Was his war record respected? Was the fact he went to nam while Bush snorted coke in the national guard a reason to vote for Kerry, according to the republicans? Hell no! They didn\'t respect Kerry\'s war record, they slimed it.

NOW, we\'re supposed to vote for grampaw because he went to vietnam and was a POW for 5 and a half years.  Well, why should anyone respect McCain\'s war record when Kerry\'s was slimed by the same people who now tout mcCain\'s record?

Then there\'s this whole \"Let\'s respect sarah palin\" attitude. Gee, I didn\'t see John mcCain calling for Hillary Clinton to be respected when one of his supporters called her \"the bitch\". So is it cool with mccain if we call palin \"the bitch\"? I\'d guess not.

I think what really bugs me about the conservatives is their hypocrisy, plus they fact they\'re so blatant about it and expect no one to notice....

Quote from: Demonoid;244037I think what really bugs me about the conservatives is their hypocrisy...

Please tell us how you live with yourself then? Hypocrisy indeed.

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Whatever...Palin, whether you like her or not knocked it out of the park with that speech of hers.


- Ed C.

Quote from: Koltar;244041Whatever...Palin, whether you like her or not knocked it out of the park with that speech of hers.

Eh. She did ok. I'm not sure she's enough to convince me to vote for McCain however, but I did like some of the zingers.

At least she's way hotter than Biden.

Quote from: Demonoid;244037I think what really bugs me about the conservatives is their hypocrisy, plus they fact they\'re so blatant about it and expect no one to notice....

You're on the talking point distribution list, aren't you?

I thought that distribution list was just a McCain thing.

Or am I thinking about something else?

Quote from: John Morrow;243934She went to visited wounded soldiers in Landstuhl, something Obama couldn't find time for in his busy schedule because he couldn't bring his press entourage along.

Q: Please state on action Palin had taken as the head of the Alaska National Guard.
A: She visited a military hospital in Germany.

The question is asking for command experience, and you give an example of a photo op, and then go on to criticize Obama for not engaging in the same photo op.

Q: In what way is Palin's visit to the hospital a function of her role as the head of the Alaska National Guard?  
A: In not, the was actually just John Morrow being is usual disingenuous self.  There's more examples to come:

QuoteSo what do you think of this video?  How often do we see questions like that or maybe this is the reason why they stopped asking?

In John's world, it's reasonable to suggest that a random supporter of Barack Obama should be able to list his qualifications in the same way that John McCain's campaign manager should be able to list the qualifications of McCain's VP pick.

In reality, this is called misdirection.  John wants you to pay no attention to the differences between the speakers, only to the similarities in their response.

This is, of course, nonsense.  This is expecting a doctor and a farmer to give the same medical advice.

No this is called the Woman is worthy of respect because she did the right thing.

Thats what it is called.


- Ed C.

I can't.

This attempt at flamebaiting is just too ham-fisted to rise to.

Quote from: Koltar;244096No this is called the Woman is worthy of respect because she did the right thing.

Thats what it is called.

What do these pronouns (in red) refer to?  That's sloppy argumentation, Ed.

I think that you've fallen for John's bait-and-switch.  Here's an argument:
   People who do the right thing are worthy of respect.
Visiting wounded soldiers is the right thing to do.
Sarah Palin visited wounded soldiers, therefore Sarah Palin is worthy of respect.
Do you agree with this argument?  Is this your point?  Because that's what your point appears to be, if I assume that your pronouns refer to visiting wounded soldiers.  I'm not arguing that point.  That point has nothing to do with the argument.

The point under contention, the point I'm arguing with John, is whether visiting wounded soldiers is or is not an example of an action she took as the commander of Alaskan National Guard.

Visiting troops and commanding a military unit are not the same thing.  Obama is equally capable of visiting the troops (and has done so), but we don't consider this an example of the act of a military commander.  Visiting the troops, wounded or in the field, may be a good thing and worthy of respect, and both candidates should be respected for those acts, but to offer up these visitations as examples of command leadership is simply disingenuous.

She may have visited the troops while serving as commander of the Alaskan National Guard, but it's not an action she took as the commander of the Alaskan National Guard.  It's an action she took as a politician.

It's like when Sarah Palin poops, she is pooping while being the commander of the Alaskan National Guard, but it's not an example of her acting as the commander of the Alaskan National Guard.

Quote from: Koltar;244096No this is called the Woman is worthy of respect because she did the right thing.

Thats what it is called.


- Ed C.

John Kerry went to vietnam, fought, earned medals, saw and experienced what was going on there, came back, had the courage to speak out against a war that was being waged badly and for the wrong reasons. He was savagely attacked and slimed 4 years ago instead of being shown respect.

Max Cleland went to vietnam, served, lost both legs and an arm. When he disagreed with bush his patriotism was mocked and attacked instead of being respected.

Now, what, exactly, did sarah palin do to earn respect, more respect than kerry or cleland were shown by the republicans?

I\'m not surprised that you\'d back mccain and be against obama. If that avatar really is you you do kind of have the pudgy, dorky, pompous and faintly retarded look I\'ve come to associate with conservative voters.

Quote from: Demonoid;244116[Kerry] had the courage to speak out against a war that was being waged badly and for the wrong reasons.

No, Kerry came back and made wild claims about war crimes and baby killing and himself as a veteran ashamed of his service. That is what caused so many veterans to turn their back on him after he accused his fellows of war crimes and couldn't back it up.

Quote from: Demonoid;244116Now, what, exactly, did sarah palin do to earn respect, more respect than kerry or cleland were shown by the republicans?

I know you mean this in the executive sense but the woman does have some interesting accomplishments to here name. The biggest and most important, to me, is creating a surplus in her states budget. This is arguable though, but her methods are sound. One could site that the increase in oil prices worked in her favor and they would be correct. However, her methods of citizen involvement in the process and fiscal conservative approach make a strong case for a disciplined governor.

Still, I am wading through here record to see what her other stances are. I am a bit concerned that she uses the "Bush" defense with the dismissal of her Director of Public Safety. Also, I am hoping to see clarification on her links to the AIP. More than just a "She is a registered Republican" and more in what her opinions of their platform is and how it relates to her fulfilling her role as VP. Note: this could be a positive.

So, I think she is worthy of a certain level of respect. This does not mean you need to vote for her. Just because someone opposes you does not mean they also must be scum of the earth.

Bill

There's pretty rampant hypocrisy going on in both sides. If a Dem VP candidate's daughter got pregnant at 17, the Republicans would be accusing her of bad parenting due to a lack of values, and wondering how she could possibly run the country if she can't control her own family.

On the other hand, if it was a Dem VP candidate who's daughter got pregnant, the Dems would be saying that its a non-issue that isn't worthy of commentary, and that attacking the family is wrong.

So both of them are showing just how fucking meaningless their convictions really are.

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