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Gamers and "gender-inclusive" language

Started by TheShadow, July 08, 2008, 06:26:18 AM

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Koltar

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Quote from: Balbinus;223322...................I imagine you all as svelte sophisticates (except Koltar, who I imagine as a Klingon basically, and Pika who is of course a Pikachu).  Don't ruin the illusion.


Yeah  - a "Klingon" who needs to go on a diet. I feel more than a tad embarassed about that.
Last weeked (Or weekend before) the Cincinnati Pops Orchestra had an event for Star Trek Fans. Go to put my primary Klingon outfit on and I've gained a fracking inch around the waist and the belt wouldn't connect.  Had to get garbed up in an alternate back up outfit.

Oh, and the pattern continues  - met a young lady from Columbus Ohio there. She was dressed in a Next Gen Starfleet uniform and kind of half-flirted with me by saying her persona was half Betazois and went out of her way to remind me (in conversation) how Betazoids get married.

Geez, I forgot how geeky that environment can be.
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Quote from: Engine;223477Oh, no. I just wanted to compare her physically to my own ex-girlfriends as a proxy for determining whether I'm better than you are.
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Quote from: Jackalope;223458Hah hah, and you thought I was making it up.
You need to work on matching the shadow angles on that last pic.
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Quote from: Jackalope;223458EDIT:  Waitaminute...now that I'm a bit more awake, I think maybe I shoudl keep those to myself.  You guys are jerks.
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Koltar

Quote from: Jackalope;223458Just for Engine.  sorry, I apparently can't figure out how to use a spoiler.:
EDIT:  Waitaminute...now that I'm a bit more awake, I think maybe I shoudl keep those to myself.  You guys are jerks.    


We are??

 What the FraQ?

 We're not the ones posting pics of ex-girlfriends and talking about measurements of their body parts in a thread that started out talking about being inclusive of women gamers by changing a pronoun or two.

 Kettle?

Maybe meet the color black....

Yeah people have teased m,e about talking about women on here, but asafor as tact lavel you make me look like a proper gentleman.  (well there is that Klingon Code of honor thing I got going on...)

Jackie , you took a mild tease I and a few others did and you trapped yoursewlf.

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The return of \'You can\'t take the Sky From me!\'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUn-eN8mkDw&feature=rec-fresh+div

This is what a really cool FANTASY RPG should be like :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-WnjVUBDbs

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Quote from: Koltar;223493I met a young lady from Columbus Ohio there. She was dressed in a Next Gen Starfleet uniform and kind of half-flirted with me by saying her persona was half Betazois and went out of her way to remind me (in conversation) how Betazoids get married.

Just how do Betazoids get married? I'm not very familiar with Star Trek.
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Koltar

Quote from: Edsan;223594Just how do Betazoids get married? I'm not very familiar with Star Trek.

Just sent you a PM explaining that and the fannish-ness of the person bringing it up.

 As I get older I realize that I still LIKE Trek stuff , but I get bored talking about it.

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The return of \'You can\'t take the Sky From me!\'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUn-eN8mkDw&feature=rec-fresh+div

This is what a really cool FANTASY RPG should be like :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-WnjVUBDbs

Still here, still alive, at least Seven years now...

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Quote from: Balbinus;223279Even if true, I think Jackalope's point still stands, it is an example of a non-male hero.  All your point does is argue that she's not a very well characterised one, which in a pulp hero is not the most serious of failings.
Okay, point taken.  Though I did follow up on this with a post in response to Edsan, suggesting that much of the real characterisation is the result of the reader's attributions. Sometimes the briefest of descriptions evokes the most elaborate of images.

All that said, yes, Red Sonya is, by clear statement, a woman.

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Quote from: droog;223586Good idea, dude.
He's just going to fix the shadows in the second one and re-post it.
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Jackalope

Quote from: Koltar;223589We are??

Uh, yeah.  This whole forum is like a refugee for vaguely anti-social assholes.

Surely this isn't news to you!

QuoteWe're not the ones posting pics of ex-girlfriends and talking about measurements of their body parts in a thread that started out talking about being inclusive of women gamers by changing a pronoun or two.

Hey, I didn't say "You guys are jerks, while I am a shining paragon of virtue."  I revel in my own jerkiness."  Sure, I'm a jerk.  That


Speaking of jerks: the guys who automatically assume that any guys who doesn't believe that gaming would be improved is automatically a fat virgin who lives at home? Serious jerks.

A little rant:
You know, I'm sure there are so overweight dudes out there who live at home to care for aging and sick parents who are, in fact, the kind, nice and very personable.  some of the dudes are probably even virgins, virgins who have heard the "fat virgin living with his parents = shittiest human beings on planet" meme so many times that have had all confidence beaten out of them, and don't even try to go out and meet women.

It really pisses me off sometimes, especially since I love to poke my thumb n the eye of online feminists.  And you know what the response is every single time? "You're probably just a fat virgin living in your parent's basement."  These same people would react in horror if you were to suggest that some woman was a fat, virgin who couldn't support herself so thus was a total fucking loser.  But they go there every single time.

Sure, everybody picks on fat virgins who live with their parents, but when people who pride themselves (and I mean they are REALLY proud of themselves) on being open-minded, tolerant and above stereotypes do it, it comes off as just pathetically hypocritical.  Like I lost so much respect for Kyle when he went there.  It takes no thought at all to go there.  It's just pathetically easy.  It's like accusing a feminist of being a man-hating dyke.

Then when you add it in with feminism, and you have fucking feminists mindlessly embracing the "fat virgins = losers" meme, you end with a bunch of supposed warriors for egalitarianism implicitly supporting the idea that a man's worth is dependent on how good looking he is and how quickly/often he gets laid.

What the fuck is up with that?  It's so fucking hypocritical it makes me ill.
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StormBringer

The militant 'feminists' you refer to are not interested in egalitarianism.
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walkerp

Damn, HinterWelt!  You got it going on!  Very well done, sir.  She is smoking hot.  Maybe there is something to this squirrel thing after all...

Jackalope, I had some truck with extreme feminists in college and they never accused their ideological enemies of being fat losers living in their basements.  I think this is more a function of the internet than feminists, per se.  Also, where are you running into all these aggressive feminists?  I know you've mentioned some specific websites, but you make it sound like there are a lot of them in the gaming world (and elsewhere?) and that they have loud voices.  This has really not been my experience at all.  The loudest voices in my internet gaming experience have been of the Gleichman/John Morrow variety (and to be fair, us rational, socially conscious people seem to have a pretty strong foothold around here recently as well).
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