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Gamers and "gender-inclusive" language

Started by TheShadow, July 08, 2008, 06:26:18 AM

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Koltar

Your percentage is off.

 For the past decade the percentage of women trying RPGs and then becoming steady players has actually increased.

 Can't prove it with a link, but its no longer 80% male.
(At least not in Ohio or the midwest )



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Balbinus

Quote from: gleichman;223035I love the deconstructionism of this statement. Knowing, understanding, and following a consistent world view is a bad thing. Rather inconsistency, ignorance and misapplication are the models for Balbinus.

Wonderful.

I'll carry the flag Balbinus labeled me with, and carry it proudly. But I reject completely his charge of racism.

I said you were Islamophobic, which you recharacterised as me saying you were racist.

Had I wanted to say you were racist, I would have.  I made a specific point, not a general one.  I have no idea what your views are on other groups, and no particular reason to believe they are similar to your oft here expressed views on Islam.

I'm fine with you taking offence at what I say, I'm fairly pissed off with you constantly putting words in my mouth and objecting to those.

Balbinus

Quote from: Warthur;223058I honestly don't think so; N'Longa was a buddy of Solomon Kane, who was always at centre stage in his stories; N'Longa could help with his magic, but the proud white man was needed to get shit done in Africa.

Also, there were implications that there was something faintly corrupt about N'Longa's magic, and through his contact with N'Longa Kane was losing his civilised self and "going native".

Also, when N'Longa first shows up he's all "ooja booja me talky funny". Granted, eventually he used his telepathic abilities to talk to Kane mind-to-mind, eliminating the need to use pidgin English, but still.

In short, N'Longa's not a hero, he's at best a somewhat ambiguous supporting character. Also, his depiction is entirely based on cartoonish stereotypes of black Africans; even when he's writing them as being fairly benign, Howard simply can't treat them as nuanced human beings and constantly resorts to ham-fisted stereotypes.

Thanks, that was also my view and my objection to categorising him as a hero.  Solomon Kane is the hero of those stories, N'Longa is supporting cast and supporting cast with some iffy racial elements at that.

Balbinus

Quote from: Ian Absentia;223065Please.  Red Sonya was practically Conan in drag.

!i!

Even if true, I think Jackalope's point still stands, it is an example of a non-male hero.  All your point does is argue that she's not a very well characterised one, which in a pulp hero is not the most serious of failings.

Balbinus

Quote from: Koltar;223179(OH and Jackie? If you quote a woman's chest size - then she's imaginary. Just a little hint here. If you really are dating someone - you don't worry about or mention their chest size.)

Indeed.  Actually, I don't think I've actually known the precise chest size of many women I've dated, I've not often been called on to buy bras for them after all.

Balbinus

Quote from: obryn;223197Holy crap.

A thread where I find myself mostly agreeing with walkerp and balbinus.

My world is shattered.

I can't believe how up in arms a bunch of basement-dwelling rpg troglodytes can get over the use of both "he" and "she" in a gaming book.

-O

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Actually, I'm afraid I didn't realise we disagreed on stuff, possibly as I tend to associate you more with the roleplaying threads.  Which this, most decidedly, is not.

noisms

Quote from: Balbinus;223281Indeed.  Actually, I don't think I've actually known the precise chest size of many women I've dated, I've not often been called on to buy bras for them after all.

Are you kidding!? There's no better present to give to a first date than a bra!

In all seriousness I'm still not sure what my wife's bra size is. Bra and dress sizes are a big mystery to me, especially the way they change from country to country. A 10 in the UK, the US, Europe and Japan are very different things.
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Balbinus

Quote from: noisms;223289Are you kidding!? There's no better present to give to a first date than a bra!

In all seriousness I'm still not sure what my wife's bra size is. Bra and dress sizes are a big mystery to me, especially the way they change from country to country. A 10 in the UK, the US, Europe and Japan are very different things.

At the risk of derailing this thread further (is that even possible?), I tend to find it a bit suspicious when people quote them for the reasons that Koltar alludes to.

noisms

Quote from: Balbinus;223290At the risk of derailing this thread further (is that even possible?), I tend to find it a bit suspicious when people quote them for the reasons that Koltar alludes to.

I'm a bit more suspicious of people who cite the weight of their supposed girlfriends, because we all know how difficult it is to get within a bargepole's distance of that information.
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Balbinus

Quote from: noisms;223295I'm a bit more suspicious of people who cite the weight of their supposed girlfriends, because we all know how difficult it is to get within a bargepole's distance of that information.

Good call dude.  Plus who the hell weighs their girlfriends?

"Hey, Jane, I noticed from the scales you put on three pounds this week, I think that takes you to... ack, stop choking me, stop, aaagh!"

Jackalope

#265
Quote from: Koltar;223179(OH and Jackie? If you quote a woman's chest size - then she's imaginary. Just a little hint here. If you really are dating someone - you don't worry about or mention their chest size.)

You want to see a picture of her?  Hell, you want to see a picture of me kissing her?  I've got one around here somewhere, I think it's already scanned in.

I seriously don't understand how you guys who are married can not know you're own wife's measurements.  Some guys are so inattentive, seriously.  

You know that friend I mentioned?  We were going to be gaming at his place, which is really his girlfriends place, because the place we normally play was unavailable (Coast guard guy's place, he was shipped out for three weeks).  

So I ask him "Hey, what does [her name] like?  Like food wise, something small and cheap I can get her as a way of saying thank you."

And he's like "Huh?  I dunno."

And I'm like "What do you mena you don't know, you've lived with her for a year.  How can you not know her favorite foods?"

"I dunno."

"Well, what's her favorite color?"

"I dunno."

WTF?

You know how I know what my ex's measurements are?  One day I walked up behind her while she was dusting a dresser, reached around her, and grabbed her chest.  She squealed, and I asked her "Say, how big are these anyways?' and gave them a squeeze.  So she answered, and then we had sex.  And because I actually fucking pay attention, I still remember the answer.

Just like I know she weighs around 120, because she once complained that she had put on weight, and I asked her how much she weighed, and she said "Like 125, I should weigh 120." and I was like "Pssh.  You could gain another 10 and you'd still be smoking hot." and then she lost the weight.  or stopped complaining about it, hard to tell really.

Too bad she couldn't hold down a job and I had to dump her.  She certainly had some fine qualities.  ::sigh::

(And dude's girlfriends favorite food is strawberries, so I got her some fresh strawberries the next week.  In a year, I will still remember this, and he will have forgotten, assuming they are still together.)
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walkerp

Quote from: Jackalope;223306(And dude's girlfriends favorite food is strawberries, so I got her some fresh strawberries the next week.  In a year, I will still remember this, and he will have forgotten, assuming they are still together.)

Are you going to sneak up behind her when she is savouring your strawberries and give her a squeeze in order to find out her bra size (and then possibly have another future gift idea)?

Awesome.

This thread just went to another level.
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TheShadow

Quote from: Balbinus;223310And, in the name of all that's holy, please do not post that photo.

Come on. We need proof!
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noisms

And to think this all started with somebody talking about pronouns.
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