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Gamers and "gender-inclusive" language

Started by TheShadow, July 08, 2008, 06:26:18 AM

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Quote from: Warthur;223045I think it's pretty hard to deny that Howard was a racist, and promoted racist ideas.

There is an interesting essay on Howard's racism here that includes some of Howard's sentiments that he expressed in letters to others.
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Quote from: Koltar;223213White males need to become more like Koltar .

 He got big crush on black woman for close to 18 years - her name is "Lady C".  She is quite lovely and intelligent.

Also very attracted to a certain Scretary of State (but you already knew that)

Hey Ed, what's the deal here?  Are you half in the bag or what? :)

Koltar

Well, maybe drinking too much MT. Dew (See thread in off-topic)

Just got tired of the over-seriousnes about pronoun usage.

 For pity's sake people - just read the rules,  find some friends, roll some dice and start playing the frakking game. (!!)
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Quote from: Koltar;223223For pity's sake people - just read the rules,  find some friends, roll some dice and start playing the frakking game. (!!)

But that might eat into our forum-posting time!
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Quote from: Koltar;223223start playing the frakking game. (!!)

You need a Saul Tigh avatar. :D

NotYourMonkey

:jaw-dropping:

My God! it's full of Stoooopid.

Game books switch between he and she!  Its the apocalypse!!!!!!

Cats and dogs living together!!!!!  Mass hysteria!!!!!!

For fucks sake people...

This is so crazy it belongs in Tangency!  (am I doing it right?)
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#246
Quote from: gleichman;223173It's generally consider polite to respond to someone (even someone rude) when they speak to you.
Horseshit.  I'm confident that being polite is the furthest thing from your mind.  And you were berating Balbinus, claiming he wasn't being honest.
QuoteBut if you'd like, I can ignore you for the future. It certainly wouldn't be any loss to me. Just say the word.
What'd be the point, Brian?  Your MO is always the same.  You insult and insinuate to provoke a response, you get all pouty when someone stands up to you, you publicly announce that you're putting them on your Ignore List, then you slavishly follow every post to see what they're saying about you and explain your subsequent responses away with some nonsense about how you didn't mean a real Ignore List, but rather just another excuse to insult someone.

In fact, if your MO is really true to form, you'll realise pretty soon here that no one is taking any shit off you, and you'll sulk off with the lame excuse that you were only killing time and you never intended to stick around anyway since you have far better things to do.

In any case, bravo, Brian.  You've once again managed to make a thread largely about you.  And that's what this game is really all about, isn't it? :)

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mhensley

#247
Quote from: Koltar;223213Also very attracted to a certain Scretary of State (but you already knew that)

Wow...  Lawrence Eagleburger?  Really?

beejazz

...what gender pronoun do you use for something/someone with the shapechanger subtype? Shapechanger gender issues might soon become problematic in my campaign (I may have to say no to one of my PC's plans to court and/or wed a changeling mercenary... long story...).

RPGPundit

You're all wusses. You want real feminism in RPGs? THIS is real RPG Girl Power, empowering female players by their own actions, not because of some kind of bullshit inclusive language.  The real question shouldn't be "should we have inclusive language and other measures in our RPGs?", it should be "Does that shit even work?".  If it doesn't, and obviously this is a case of the goggles doing nothing, then why the fuck is anyone advocating it, other than as a feel-good measure that accomplishes fuck all?

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Quote from: RPGPundit;223244You're all wusses. You want real feminism in RPGs? THIS is real RPG Girl Power, empowering female players by their own actions, not because of some kind of bullshit inclusive language.  The real question shouldn't be "should we have inclusive language and other measures in our RPGs?", it should be "Does that shit even work?".  If it doesn't, and obviously this is a case of the goggles doing nothing, then why the fuck is anyone advocating it, other than as a feel-good measure that accomplishes fuck all?
I believe Wujcik consistently used singular "they" for his gender-neutral pronoun in Amber Diceless Role-Playing.  At least, I looked through and see many cases where "they" is used for generic, and none using a male pronoun.  

He also commonly used example characters and players of varying sex.  For example, after the introduction, the opening of ADRP on page 3 is:

QuotePlaying a Princess (or Prince) of Amber


A player's view of Amber

In our example Cindy is playing Dorell, a Princess of Amber.  Of the four Attributes that make up a character, ...
The two-page explanation that follows is dialogue between Cindy and an unnamed male GM.  I'd note the use of "princess" in the title.

J Arcane

#251
QuoteYou'd think so, but as I said, I use "they" all the time and nobody complains, not even pussies like Edsan and gleichman.

And this is it, right here.  Seriously people.  All these fucking pages of horseshit and all it really boils down to is if it weren't "she" specifically, this fucking thread never would've happened.  

And that says all that really needs be said about the ones complaining about it.

What a colossal fucking waste of time that really only barely has a damn thing to do with RPGs.  This shit should be in off-topic.
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Quote from: Koltar;223213Also very attracted to a certain Scretary of State (but you already knew that)
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Jackalope

Quote from: Aos;223174I'm cool with the use of he, she and they. I actually like the mix. I dig inclusion.  I literally got laid so many times this week (I've been away, you see) that I wore out the stormbringer. I'm not interested in gaming with women or men really- as genders that is. I might feel differently about an individual, but she would have to be able to hang. No complaints about the smoke, or the cussing, or the off color jokes*. Most of the women I know and have known who can do this, are not interested in gaming- most of the men, as well for that matter. Within the context of gaming I have had contact with more males. Obviously, your experience might differ, Kyle, but that doesn't invalidate mine, or anyone else's for that matter. That said, I've turned away more prissy fatboys who can't hang from my table in this lifetime than I will women in the next ten of so.
To sum up: intellectually, I accept that there really are women out there who game and aren't fucked up- I just haven't seen it, and I'm not eager to go looking for it.

*I am a manchild and I make no excuses.

Ditto.

I don't care about gender inclusive language in the game.  No sweat off my brow.  I don't think it has any meaningful effect on whether women play or not, and like AoS I stopped caring if women play a long time ago.  Just not important to me.  Don't really see why it's an issue, except for guys liek Kyle and walkerp who have so thoroughly swallowed the liberal kool-aid that they have bought into the illogic that the issue of whether D&D appeals to women is relevant to fucking anything in real life.
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Jackalope

Quote from: obryn;223198I think this says a lot more about you and your games than it does about women in gaming.

Yeah dude, my game is why 80% of the people playing RPGs are men.

That makes tons of sense.
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