....by-the-way, ALL the women gamers locally are intelligent, creative and beautiful.

- Ed C.

(I gotta say that - they might web-stumble across this forum and I work at a game store)



(OH and Jackie? If you quote a woman's chest size - then she's imaginary. Just a little hint here. If you really are dating someone - you don't worry about or mention their chest size.)

Oy Vey!

You zone out the threads for a couple of hours and when you return...what happened to the debate on pronouns? When did this became a mud-slinging contest against the manliness of other posters?

Oh well, I can also play that game...let's have fun.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;223154Look, if you want to say crying is merely human, and not unmanly, then you are just oozing the "PC agenda". Don't be a pussy.

Why don't you follow your own advice? You seem to be quite vocal in your bitching and complaining.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;223154Why would you want to express what you think is bullshit? You're desperate to say things you don't believe?

Good grief Kyle! Are you also an idiot besides being a sexist fascist jerk?

I was referring to your right, and everyone else's, to say what others might consider to be a total load of prime-grade bullshit.

You appear to make use of this right considerably but want to deny it to others...nice. Reveals a lot about the type of person you are.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;223154It has already has a term: pussy. (...) See? Gleichman's another pussy.(...) not even pussies like Edsan and gleichman.

Wow! What a classic textbook case of closeted homosexuality! The guy is SO unsure of his own manliness he must constantly reinforce it by attacking the masculinity of others.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;223154In other words, what we have here in these whiny boys for whom "she" is an abomination, is a bunch of lonely geeks who really need to get laid. Not that I can really blame the girls for not volunteering...

Seems like you are wanting to get a piece of the action with those boys yourself...

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;223154Real men don't complain, they just take it. Did you ever see John Wayne complain? Charlton Heston? James T Kirk? Just shut the fuck up and take it!

Man...you are just DYING to fuck another bloke in the ass aren't you?

Don't worry Kyle, if you are the only one doing the fucking you might delude yourself into thinking it's not gay.

Quote from: Edsan;223183Why don't you follow your own advice? You seem to be quite vocal in your bitching and complaining.

I'm not complaining, I'm insulting, there's a difference, you pussy.

Quote from: EdsanYou appear to make use of this right considerably but want to deny it to others...nice. Reveals a lot about the type of person you are.

The type of person who can't stand whiny little shits. If you just insult and threaten me, or even by accident have something reasonable to say, then by all means go for it. But if you just want to whine I will tell you to shut up.

Quote from: EdsanWow! What a classic textbook case of closeted homosexuality! The guy is SO unsure of his own manliness he must constantly reinforce it by attacking the masculinity of others.

Homosexuals aren't masculine? Do I have to post pictures of bear guys, or what?

You can be a whiny pussy and straight, a whiny pussy and gay, a whiny pussy and bi, or tough and all those things, or something between tough and a wuss and all those things: sexuality has nothing to do with masculinity or femininity.

That you confuse sexuality with gender identity and behaviour again shows your bigotry. Or profound ignorance. Same shit, really.

Quote from: EdsanSeems like you are wanting to get a piece of the action with those boys yourself...

 Man...you are just DYING to fuck another bloke in the ass aren't you?

Again, sexuality =/= gender identity. But let's suppose I'm homosexual. If the straight girls won't touch the fatbeard living in his parents' basement, why should I?

Speaking to Kyle...

Quote from: Edsan;223183Oy Vey!

You zone out the threads for a couple of hours and when you return...what happened to the debate on pronouns? When did this became a mud-slinging contest against the manliness of other posters?

Oh well, I can also play that game...let's have fun.

As I think over this, I can only come to two thoughts on it based upon the fact that he's pulling this stunt in multiple threads I've read over the last few weeks with various different people. I would understand if it's just me, but it's effectively everyone and anyone who doesn't agree with him.

First is that Kyle has decided that therpgsite is basically his personal cesspool. He's not here for any other reason than to foul the waters even more.

The second is that Kyle has been seriously damaged by something in his life, this is sadly likely if he's the same person I'm remembering from rpgnet. Be it a divorce, death in the family, loss job, whatever.


In neither case is this someone we wish to engage. Leave the cessspool to him, or allow him to find another way out of his sad life. My advice is that either way it's time to put him on the ignore list and call it quits.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;223185The type of person who can't stand whiny little shits.

I know. I can tell by your evident self-loathing you do hate "whiny little shits". Quite a lot in fact.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;223185If you just want to whine I will tell you to shut up.

Again, follow your own advice.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;223185sexuality has nothing to do with masculinity or femininity.

Oh riiiight. So sexual behaviour is in no way connected to gender identity, but saying things you don't agree with apparently is because everyone who does so is automaticaly labelled a "pussy".

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;223185If the straight girls won't touch the fatbeard living in his parents' basement, why should I?

"Fatbeard"? Mother? Basement?

And you accuse me of being a bigot and an ignorant?

Let see.. so far we have sexist, fascist and idiotic. I think we will add "hypocrite" to the list.

By all means, feel free to send me more ammo to tottaly tear down your clay-footed "arguments". You are doing a fine job of burying yourself in the mire of your own insane logic the more you type.

Please, entertain me

Quote from: Koltar;223176...Oh and 3 or 4 of you are DEAD WRONG about women playing online RPGs.

The married couple in my group both play WoW online....several girls, ladies, women that stop by the store admit they WoW, Everquest or used to play DaoC.

The main difference I've noted is that they don't nring up in conversation - they only to it if it already happens to be the topic.  My co-worker who runs Call of Cthulu? She admits to being addicted to online MMO  games as . Way she tells it, Everquest is still her favorite and she hasn't switched to WoW yet.

Do similar sentiments get expressed in the world of online games? I know nothing about them, but I'd imagine that the answer would be no, if only because of having a younger audience. I've never heard of any male who played World of Warcraft saying that 95% of women who play are crazy and ugly, or that the game world is tainted by political correctness...if nothing else I'd imagine that the game owners would kick them off in order to keep their female customers.

Quote from: jibbajibba;222761What annoys me is that you can use the third person plural and avoid all references to gender. So 'the player rolls 3 d6 6 times, then they assign them to the attributes in any order they desire', 'the DM is there to organise and run the game, they are the most important person in the game but.. ' etc etc.
The problem is that grammatically its not seen as 100% correct despite the fact that it scans fine and 99% of people would prefer it that way.

That's because English grammar books were written by a bunch of idiots who were more interested in describing English the way that they wish it was being spoken (or would have preferred everyone to be speaking Latin or Greek) than by people actually interested in describing English as actually spoken.  

With respect to "they", using the plural for polite distancing is so common in English that the language officially phased out it's second person singular pronoun (thou) in favor of the second person plural (you).  So unless people are in favor of reviving "thou", I wish they'd get a grip about using the third person plural a generic third person pronoun.  But if anyone does want to go on a pronoun crusade, don't forget to bring back the first person and second person dual pronouns (wit/unc/uncer and git/inc/incer).

Quote from: John Morrow;223192That's because English grammar books were written by a bunch of idiots who were more interested in describing English the way that they wish it was being spoken (or would have preferred everyone to be speaking Latin or Greek) than by people actually interested in describing English as actually spoken.  

With respect to "they", using the plural for polite distancing is so common in English that the language officially phased out it's second person singular pronoun (thou) in favor of the second person plural (you).  So unless people are in favor of reviving "thou", I wish they'd get a grip about using the third person plural a generic third person pronoun.  But if anyone does want to go on a pronoun crusade, don't forget to bring back the first person and second person dual pronouns (wit/unc/uncer and git/inc/incer).

I'm not sure. I can think of situations in which the use of "they" could be confusing in written English if used as a generic third person pronoun. When it's spoken, it's usually clear by context.

Anyway, wow - a post that's actually on-topic, rather than an extension of the "my dick is bigger than your dick" contest of the last gazillion pages!

Holy crap.

A thread where I find myself mostly agreeing with walkerp and balbinus.

My world is shattered.

I can't believe how up in arms a bunch of basement-dwelling rpg troglodytes can get over the use of both "he" and "she" in a gaming book.

-O

Quote from: Jackalope;223090I mostly just don't think normal well-adjusted women are attracted to the style of gaming support by most of the industry.  I don't think they get much out of it.

I think this says a lot more about you and your games than it does about women in gaming.

-O

Quote from: walkerp;222843How much do you enjoy reading that if you are swarthy or have a hooked nose?  

And why not have some books where the good guy is swarthy or has a hooked nose?

The problem is that things have lurched to the opposite extreme where all of the bad guys are white males.  If you can grasp that people with dark skin or hooked noses don't enjoy reading book after book where people that look like they do are depicted as the villain, what makes you think that white males are going to enjoy it?  Yes, I know the prevailing attitude is that white males should just suck it up but all it really does is build resentment and resentment doesn't eliminate racism, it fuels it.  So while you might get some sort of karmic satisfaction out of seeing white guys knocked low, revenge is not how you end a cycle of hatred.

Quote from: walkerp;222843Why not have some fantasy art that depicts a wider range of heroic types than just the male?  (which is kind of boring and limited anyway because it's been done well and to death already.)  And how is that some kind of attack on the white male?

The problem is that Monte Cook's comments focus more on exclusion (what he didn't want to see) than inclusion.  Regdar's sin as a character was that he was a white male and he apparently deserved to be punished for that sin alone.  Is that really any better than an author dehumanizing a character because they are gay, black, or Muslim?

Quote from: noisms;223193I'm not sure. I can think of situations in which the use of "they" could be confusing in written English if used as a generic third person pronoun. When it's spoken, it's usually clear by context.

It's not that difficult to avoid the confusion.  Pronouns are, by their nature, vague and can be confusing if not used carefully.  I don't think that's a good reason not to use "they".  It's certainly not any more confusing than using the second person plural as a second person singular, an ambiguity that has led to a variety of attempts to correct it ("yous", "y'all") and a drift toward using the new plural as a singular (using "yous" or "y'all" when talking to one person).

Quote from: walkerp;222948These PC-paranoia types are a bunch of entitled whiny bitches who have never really suffered in their life and are freaked out by the idea that maybe they can't drive an SUV or have to compete equally with a more determined woman or immigrant instead of just being able to get the job their daddy had.

Yeah, that's it. :rolleyes:

So how exactly do comments like that help improve race relations and make white males more willing to accept women and minorities?

White males need to become more like Koltar .

 He got big crush on black woman for close to 18 years - her name is "Lady C".  She is quite lovely and intelligent.

Also very attracted to a certain Scretary of State (but you already knew that)


- Ed C.

Well...arguments about 4th edition are no longer destroying this forum.