Quote from: GRIM;223099'They' is becoming the acceptable gender neutral term and will likely end up being formalised at some point, amongst others. What annoys me is the idea that using the feminine form is somehow inclusive. Chopping and changing is just disjointed, but using woman/her/she is gender exclusive while, strictly speaking, he/him/man is actually inclusive, not exclusive. It's males who lack a gender specific descriptor and should be up in arms about it if anything.

"They" has been an acceptable gender neutral singular for centuries -- there are lots of examples of it being used since Shakespeare's time and earlier.  

As for what is inclusive -- I don't agree that the male form is actually inclusive in practice. If you write about predominantly female positions -- like secretary, nurse, home-maker, or stripper -- then for most people it is jarring to use male pronouns.  Some grammar sticklers might claim that theoretically people shouldn't assume male just because the male pronoun is used, but in practice real people do.  

As for what to do about it, I personally prefer "they" -- but I'm not much of a stickler.  Most of the common options are fine by me.

Quote from: walkerp;223118Do you want an apology?

I'd have to respect you enough to ask for one. That isn't the case.

Quote from: walkerp;223118I'm a specist

Oh yes, because killing everyone is so much better than being someone in favor of a nation controlling immigration.

Quote from: gleichman;223126Oh yes, because killing everyone is so much better than being someone in favor of a nation controlling immigration.

Whoops, there you go with the thinly-veiled racism again.

Sorry, but I gotta call a spade a spade.

Wait!  What?  :duh:

Quote from: Spinachcat;223097Because feminized metro-swine think it will get them laid.

The joke is on them because the only women I have ever seen impressed by this "feminist practice" were so hideous that fucking them would be a science experiment or a gang initiation.   Maybe SAN loss porn is more popular than I imagine.

lol.  Too true.  I have a friend who is like this. He's all sensitive new age guy.  he likes to rub it in my face that he has a girlfriend and I'm single.

His girlfriend is 5'4", weighs like 190, wears short shorts and too tight shirts, and doesn't shave her legs.  Or her face.  Serious, chick's got a mustache and gorilla legs.  And she's a uber-feminist.  She's a fucking travesty.  Like the definition of Do Not Want.  His girlfriend before that, and the one before that, made this current one look hot.  He brags about he's had sex with three times as many women as I have.

But my last serious girlfriend was 5'6", weighed 120 pounds, had a 36C chest.  Shaved damn near everything.  Looked a lot like Bettie Page.  That's pretty typical of the girls I date.  I may have only had a third of his success, but I also won't fuck anything that moves.  It's a real lesson in quality over quantity.

QuoteVideo games have far more female players and they don't stoop to this crap.  In fact, video games go gonzo with big tits and skirt nudity rules with a razor edge.   Adolescent male fantasy sells billions, but WotC is being strangled by Gloria Steinem cultists.   I fully expect to see S/he and S/him in D&D 5e.

Serious!  QFT and all that.

Quote from: walkerp;223128Whoops, there you go with the thinly-veiled racism again.

Thanks for that confirmation of the details on just what you're tossing that slur for. It's important to me that I get labeled for what I actually am.

Racist includes stuff far worse than immigration limits. Perhaps some day you'll be subject to it, and learn that crying wolf isn't the actions of an adult.

Quote from: Spinachcat;223097Video games have far more female players and they don't stoop to this crap.  In fact, video games go gonzo with big tits and skirt nudity rules with a razor edge.   Adolescent male fantasy sells billions, but WotC is being strangled by Gloria Steinem cultists.   I fully expect to see S/he and S/him in D&D 5e.

While it's true that there are video games with female players, I think they are different than the ones which are heavy on the T&A.  

Depending where you look, top-selling video games generally include Pokemon and The Sims.   The games that do use T&A are often male-skewed.  For example, Nick Yee's survey found that only 16% of World of Warcraft players were female.  The best survey of tabletop RPG players (the 1999 WotC survey) found 19% of players were female.  

My impression is that the growing number of female players are from games like Wii Play, The Sims, Guitar Hero, and Rock Band -- not World of Warcraft or Conan.

Quote from: jhkim;223134My impression is that the growing number of female players are from games like Wii Play, The Sims, Guitar Hero, and Rock Band -- not World of Warcraft or Conan.

And don't forget those online games like WordSpy or GoldStrike. Those have a massive female audience, one which I think is bigger than all the console gamers combined.  My mom is currently addicted.

Quote from: gleichman;223133Racist includes stuff far worse than immigration limits. Perhaps some day you'll be subject to it, and learn that crying wolf isn't the actions of an adult.

[I'll ignore your use of a slur that is derogatory to the wolf species.]

But I have been subject to it.  As have you.  Hasn't it been already documented in this thread on how white males have been the victim of a consistent and sinister plan by the PC males in charge of Wizards and other RPG companies to objectify and marginalize us in order that they can get laid by fat, ugly women?

It hurts.  How it hurts. And I had only just recovered from the anguish of the complete destruction of the fantasy genre by these PC feminists.

Being a white male is almost worse than being the only person not playing 4e!

Quote from: walkerp;223138But I have been subject to it.

PC now == racist too? Good for you Walker, your logic continues it march.

Now say something else unconnected to reason or reality. I want to see how long you can keep this up.

Quote from: gleichman;223140Now say something else unconnected to reason or reality. I want to see how long you can keep this up.

You have a large penis.

Quote from: walkerp;223141You have a large penis.

Yep, commenting about that you know nothing of is certainly in line.

Got more?

Quote from: gleichman;223142Yep, commenting about that you know nothing of is certainly in line.

Got more?

Now you're creeping me out.

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Quote from: walkerpI can't remember exactly what I wrote about the villains, but I don't think I said all the villains were non-white. There are tons of white major antagonists in his books

Glad to see you've come back to reality. Here's what you said.

Quote from: walkerpSo in Howard, the bad guys are always black or arabic, with the colour of their skin and their hooked noses used as common indicators of their evilness.

Let me take a break from grinding gleichman's head into the mat to admit fault here.  Guilty as charged for exaggerating my arguments.

Quote from: Edsan;222810Really? I thought crying was a human trait. Not a gender one. I remember multiple occasions where "manly" men throughout history have cried often and profusely.

Perhaps you care to explain how this diminishes their "manliness"?

Look, if you want to say crying is merely human, and not unmanly, then you are just oozing the "PC agenda". Don't be a pussy. Real men don't complain, they just take it.

Did you ever see John Wayne complain? Charlton Heston? James T Kirk? Just shut the fuck up and take it!

So someone put "he" and "she" together in a book. Handle it. Take it on the chin, boy!

Quote from: EdsanAlso sir, allow me to say that you are not only rude in your personal attacks you also come out as a discriminatory sexist and a fascist.

You only say that because you're such a fucking pussy.

Quote from: EdsanUnlike you, I believe in freedom of expression. And yes, that includes even the freedom to express what I may personally and therefore subjectively think is bullshit.

Why would you want to express what you think is bullshit? You're desperate to say things you don't believe?

 

Quote from: EdsanWhat I want is good gamers and gamemasters at the table.

Oh well, I can see why you'd oppose inclusive language in the game book, then. That makes complete sense.

Quote from: walkerpIt's hilarious. You've had a few centuries with "he" being the dominantly used pronoun. Now it starts to lose a little ground to reflect a changing society and all of a sudden the white male is a victim and a whipping boy.

I think I am going to coin this term the Victim-Bully.

It has already has a term: pussy.

Quote from: gleichmanThe above was directed to Kyle, and I must chime in my agreement. The height of sexism and fascism is the attempt to alter and change language.

See? Gleichman's another pussy. He's always saying "I've had enough of you guys! I'm leaving FOREVER!" then skulking back a few weeks later. He just like wailing and whining at the top of his internet voice.

Quote from: Philotemy JuramentPersonally, I prefer the use of "he" as a gender-neutral pronoun in English; anything else seems jarring.

You'd think so, but as I said, I use "they" all the time and nobody complains, not even pussies like Edsan and gleichman.

Quote from: Age of FableAnd not only are they under-educated, obnoxious idiots, not only do they know nothing about gaming, not only did they destroy sword and sorcery - worst of all, they have the insane idea THAT WOMEN AREN'T WELCOME IN GAMING!                                                 

Dunno where they get that idea! Surely it couldn't be from all these single whiny blokes?

Funny how the tune changes when they hook up. Like our Dear Leader used to be all "women are all whores who just want you for your money", then he had a month or two with his woman coming to visit him and he's not said anything like that since.

In other words, what we have here in these whiny boys for whom "she" is an abomination, is a bunch of lonely geeks who really need to get laid. Not that I can really blame the girls for not volunteering...

Quote from: gleichman;223107You're the one that rejected Sonya, so I assume you had a reason. Why? What is the goal that caused your rejection- to your knowledge of course?

So, in answer to my follow-up question that you neglected to include: Yes, you're just trying to be provocative.

Bored again, Brian?

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