Gamers and "gender-inclusive" language

Jackalope · July 08, 2008, 11:32:05 AM

Quote from: Age of Fable;222901And not only are they under-educated, obnoxious idiots, not only do they know nothing about gaming, not only did they destroy sword and sorcery - worst of all, they have the insane idea THAT WOMEN AREN'T WELCOME IN GAMING!

Women like that aren't welcome in gaming. I don't know anyone who wants to play with people like that. I would not allow 95% of the women I've met through gaming to join my game.

Seriously dude, the Forum Lead for Astrid's Parlor is, at this moment, whining in one of the threads about how unfair it is that she didn't get free grief counseling when her allergist told her she was allergic to corn and nuts.

That's the mentality we're dealing with. Who wants to play with that? Fuck, I'd rather play with Engine.

Aos · July 08, 2008, 11:34:21 AM

Quote from: Age of Fable;222901And not only are they under-educated, obnoxious idiots, not only do they know nothing about gaming, not only did they destroy sword and sorcery - worst of all, they have the insane idea THAT WOMEN AREN'T WELCOME IN GAMING!

To be honest, I don't want any women at my table. I enjoy the company of women in professional setting (lab, field, classroom) at home (my wife and other female relatives) and in many non gaming social situations. Gaming is my "guys night out" and that's the way like it. My wife is more comfortable with it that way too, really. Crazy sexist bitch that she is is, she is not really into the idea of me driving halfway across town to pretend to be an elf with another babe.

Edit: I think it important to add that I feel absolutely NO personal responsibility for the "direction" of gaming or the "education" of gamers or any of that crap. I'm just in it to kill apemen- that's right apeMEN.

gleichman · July 08, 2008, 11:34:39 AM

Quote from: Balbinus;222902To be perfectly blunt, I think most people who rail loudly against political correctness (using that specific phrase) are unhappy that they can't have what they want without having to work for it, and I have limited sympathy for them. That or they just resent others enjoying what they already have.

You are joking right?

You think PC gives things to people who "work for it"? PC is actually a Corperation that pays a wage? Good lord, I didn't know that. How much do you make?

Or is "working for it" maybe something like... debating people online about the use of PC itself. You know, attempting to reverse a negative change in our culture.

Or can that sort of "working for it" only be done by those supporting it?

What a load of crap Balbinus. If you want to say "I'm right, you're wrong, I'm going to another thread" just do it. Don't make extended and twisted posts attempting to hide what you're trying to pull.

Age of Fable · July 08, 2008, 11:34:47 AM

From the page you linked to:

Reporter: "Do you feel it's fair to request a multi-billion dollar program of preferential treatment for the Negro, or any other minority?"

Dr. King: "I do indeed...Within common law, we have ample precedents for special compensatory programs. ... America adopted a policy of special treatment for her millions of veterans...They could negotiate loans from banks to launch businesses. They could receive special points to place them ahead in competition for civil service jobs...There was no appreciable resentment of the preferential treatment being given to the special group." -- (Interview,1965) [my emphasis]

noisms · July 08, 2008, 11:36:47 AM

Quote from: Balbinus;222902To be perfectly blunt, I think most people who rail loudly against political correctness (using that specific phrase) are unhappy that they can't have what they want without having to work for it, and I have limited sympathy for them. That or they just resent others enjoying what they already have.

Can we please stop with all the armchair psychology? It really is poor form to deflect the argument away from the actual issues and into personal attack territory like that.

gleichman · July 08, 2008, 11:39:52 AM

Quote from: Age of Fable;222910From the page you linked to:

So you refuse to apologize or even acknowledge your dishonestly and misuse of the original 'quote'?

I have no interest in dealing with such a person. You're beneath contempt. If someone else is interested in my response to that last quote, I'll answer them.

noisms · July 08, 2008, 11:40:34 AM

Quote from: Aos;222908Edit: I think it important to add that I feel absolutely NO personal responsibility for the "direction" of gaming or the "education" of gamers or any of that crap. I'm just in it to kill apemen- that's right apeMEN.

But are they black apemen or white apemen???

Age of Fable · July 08, 2008, 11:42:52 AM

Quote from: Jackalope;222906Women like that aren't welcome in gaming. I don't know anyone who wants to play with people like that. I would not allow 95% of the women I've met through gaming to join my game.

and they HAVE THE CRAZY IDEA THAT THEY'RE NOT WELCOME IN GAMING with a frequency of 100% when really the percentage is only 95%.

Koltar · July 08, 2008, 11:43:45 AM

Wow,...just WOW.

That note from Monte Cook explains a lot.

Mainly why Regdar is shown dying on the floor on page 296 &297 of the 4th edition D&D Player's Handbook.

By-the-way, in the SCOURGE OF WORLDS D&D DVD game - Regdar almost appears Native American or light-skinned black in his appearance there. This was a choose-your-own adventure kind of thing using CGI animation done on DVD and released after 3rd edition D&D.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0375048/

- Ed C.

Balbinus · July 08, 2008, 11:44:30 AM

Quote from: gleichman;222909You are joking right?

You think PC gives things to people who "work for it"?

No, and I didn't say that, or anything even remotely like that. I don't even see how you got that from my post. I commented on those who rail loudly against political correctness, I said nothing about political correctness itself.

You'd understand my posts better if you stopped reading things into them that aren't in the text. I said nothing at all about political correctness, just about those who use it as a term of complaint.

Noisms understood my point, but I think correctly called it as bad form so I shan't pursue it. I have no idea where you're getting the readings you are Brian, you're reading things into my posts which just plain aren't there.

Age of Fable · July 08, 2008, 11:44:41 AM

Quote from: gleichman;222917So you refuse to apologize or even acknowledge your dishonestly and misuse of the original 'quote'?

I have no interest in dealing with such a person. You're beneath contempt. If someone else is interested in my response to that last quote, I'll answer them.

The quotes are from two sources. I misread the page (not the one you linked to, another one where the two quotes were in the one paragraph). Whether that makes me dishonest or beneath contempt is left as an exercise for the reader.

Aos · July 08, 2008, 11:44:44 AM

Quote from: noisms;222918But are they black apemen or white apemen???

Heh. Usually they are blue, and sometimes they have horns.

Balbinus · July 08, 2008, 11:45:16 AM

Quote from: noisms;222915Can we please stop with all the armchair psychology? It really is poor form to deflect the argument away from the actual issues and into personal attack territory like that.

Sorry dude, you're quite right.

noisms · July 08, 2008, 11:47:26 AM

Quote from: Aos;222925Heh. Usually they are blue, and sometimes they have horns.

Blue horned apemen are people too, you know. Hang your head in shame.

Engine · July 08, 2008, 11:48:10 AM

My best players have always been female, and who have never roleplayed before joining our groups.