Just what the title says.  Really, I'm surprised no one ever thought to try this tack way back on RPGnet in the first place when the disapora.

The way I see it is this.  The fundamental philosophical and ideological underpinnings of the entire Forge movement and it's principles, are deliberately and intentionalyl designed to be insulting to the way I and everyone I've ever played with enjoy and play games.  

The moment you start babbling about "creative agendas" and "gamism" and all that other dross, you are essentially throwing around slurs against the way a large number of people play and enjoy games.  

This is effectively no different than tromping into a thread declaring that Palladium games are only for emotionally abused 13-year olds with ego issues, or that all D&D players are simpletons and uncreative thugs, or even that all Exalted players are weak-willed losers with serious self-esteem issues.  

Further, the actual material of a number of the Forge favorite games, is deliberately and disgustingly offensive.  There is of course, the pirate assrape game, but there's also insulting drek like kill puppies for satan, Elfs, and Trollbabe, which only further supports the case that the Forge and it's ideologues have an attitude hostile and insulting and prejudicial to mainstream players.

As such, the presence of such rhetoric, and even the mere use of it, is hostile to the enjoyment of said players, and creates an unpleasant and unwelcoming environment for discussion for such players.  

Therefore, for all intents and purposes, when it comes down to it, the casual acceptance and allowance of Forge and Forge-spawned ideas like "always say yes", TBM, or the rampant GM-hate and really, the entire pseudo-intellectual "theory" wonk attitude, have created the polar opposite of the supposed "emotionally safe", welcoming environment that the moderators claim to be intent on creating, with respect to (or in this case lack thereof on the part of the administration) the vast majority of RPG players and GMs.

Dude.

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I think you're absolutely right, there's no question to me that anything spoken in Forgespeak is a direct attack on regular gamers, and as clearly insulting as if someone came and said "only homos play GURPS" or "if you like D&D you are a potential serial killer".

However, this site is NOT an "emotionally safe environment". Thus, it depends on the members of the site to speak out and condemn behaviour that is at attempt to attack this site.

However, since Forgespeak is a kind of advertising as well, an attempt to promote the weird little Cult of Ron, and to intentionally disrupt the functionings of the website, I have said that any talk of Forge Theory or excessive use of Forge jargon is Off Topic.  If you feel that any particular thread is laden with these features, just let me know.

RPGPundit

Wait, only homos do play GURPS.

Quote from: droogWait, only homos do play GURPS.

Sorry, droog  I'm not your type.

Quote from: KoltarSorry, droog  I'm not your type.

You got that right.

Droog gives great hugs though.

Quote from: walkerpDroog gives great hugs though.

Your mom's a simulationist!

Quote from: J ArcaneJust what the title says.  Really, I'm surprised no one ever thought to try this tack way back on RPGnet in the first place when the disapora.

The way I see it is this.  The fundamental philosophical and ideological underpinnings of the entire Forge movement and it's principles, are deliberately and intentionalyl designed to be insulting to the way I and everyone I've ever played with enjoy and play games.

I sent links to the Forge essays to a friend of mine who is both a gamer and a PhD candidate in sociology.

I gave him the links with no other comment than "I'd be interested in what you think."

The VERY FIRST sentence in his reply was, "The language seems deliberately chosen to be inflammatory."

This from someone who is NOT plugged into the INTarweb gaming community and has never heard of the Forge, RPGsite, RPGnet, Ron Edwards, or any of the other of it.  That's why I chose him; in the words of Doctor Phil, "He has no dog in this fight."

Anyway, I thought it was interesting that that was his first reaction.

Quote from: RPGPunditI think you're absolutely right, there's no question to me that anything spoken in Forgespeak is a direct attack on regular gamers, and as clearly insulting as if someone came and said "only homos play GURPS" or "if you like D&D you are a potential serial killer".

However, this site is NOT an "emotionally safe environment". Thus, it depends on the members of the site to speak out and condemn behaviour that is at attempt to attack this site.

However, since Forgespeak is a kind of advertising as well, an attempt to promote the weird little Cult of Ron, and to intentionally disrupt the functionings of the website, I have said that any talk of Forge Theory or excessive use of Forge jargon is Off Topic.  If you feel that any particular thread is laden with these features, just let me know.

RPGPundit

Oh certainly, in terms of this site, it's sort of a moot point, because, while Forge crap is not welcomed here, the nature of the moderation and how this place works and it's goals are different, so the point is sort of moot.

For a moderated site though, especially one that claims to pride itself on creating a welcoming environment for the widest possible userbase, allowing it is sort of like an NAACP forum letting a KKK Grand Wizard run about spouting racist garbage.  

Quote from: Old GeezerThe VERY FIRST sentence in his reply was, "The language seems deliberately chosen to be inflammatory."

That's fucking awesome, old man.  Positively awesome.

Quote from: droogYour mom's a simulationist!

Yeah, she pretended her orgasm with you was real...

Seanchai

Quote from: J ArcaneJust what the title says.  Really, I'm surprised no one ever thought to try this tack way back on RPGnet in the first place when the disapora.

The way I see it is this.  The fundamental philosophical and ideological underpinnings of the entire Forge movement and it's principles, are deliberately and intentionalyl designed to be insulting to the way I and everyone I've ever played with enjoy and play games.  

The moment you start babbling about "creative agendas" and "gamism" and all that other dross, you are essentially throwing around slurs against the way a large number of people play and enjoy games.  

This is effectively no different than tromping into a thread declaring that Palladium games are only for emotionally abused 13-year olds with ego issues, or that all D&D players are simpletons and uncreative thugs, or even that all Exalted players are weak-willed losers with serious self-esteem issues.  

Further, the actual material of a number of the Forge favorite games, is deliberately and disgustingly offensive.  There is of course, the pirate assrape game, but there's also insulting drek like kill puppies for satan, Elfs, and Trollbabe, which only further supports the case that the Forge and it's ideologues have an attitude hostile and insulting and prejudicial to mainstream players.

As such, the presence of such rhetoric, and even the mere use of it, is hostile to the enjoyment of said players, and creates an unpleasant and unwelcoming environment for discussion for such players.  

Therefore, for all intents and purposes, when it comes down to it, the casual acceptance and allowance of Forge and Forge-spawned ideas like "always say yes", TBM, or the rampant GM-hate and really, the entire pseudo-intellectual "theory" wonk attitude, have created the polar opposite of the supposed "emotionally safe", welcoming environment that the moderators claim to be intent on creating, with respect to (or in this case lack thereof on the part of the administration) the vast majority of RPG players and GMs.

100% accurate

...I just think it's kinda wankery.

Quote from: Old GeezerThe VERY FIRST sentence in his reply was, "The language seems deliberately chosen to be inflammatory."

Quote from: Dr Rotwang!...I just think it's kinda wankery.

No need for all the verbose soap-boxing -- these two simple statements say it all.

End of thread?

!i!