What the fuck is "psychological violence"?

It's when your constant use of the word f*ck offends my delicate sensibilities.

Quote from: Abyssal MawWhat the fuck is "psychological violence"?

He must be referring to attacks like Ego Whip and Id Insinuation, its in appendix I of your PHB. I don't use it myself, preferring physical violence...

:haw:

Quote from: SettembriniEvery leisure activity reduces stress, and games can give people confidence and social skills and whatnotelse.

This bolded bit right here is the focus; IIRC, it's with a small group of boys regarding issues of "maleness" and father figures in a group that typically sees the former as centering around the :pimpdahoe: and the latter not at all, to paraphrase.

Quote from: James McMurrayHell, I did roleplaying therapy a (long) while back. Anyone thinking it's stupid, overly geeky, or whatever is just too stuck on their beliefs of how smart they are and how if they don't understand something it can't be good.

Laugh at those people and move on.

At JimBob -> HA HA HA HA HA, bye.

There's a difference between roleplaying therapy, and roleplaying games.

I think everyone who forgets that, deserves laughing at.

So HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH to you, you dumb fucker.

QuoteSo HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH to you, you dumb fucker.

No, you are the dumb fucker.

Psychiatrists and therapists use all kinds of activities according to their take on things. If being in a sports club has effects, if painting has effects, if music has effects, than roleplaying has hem too.

I´m in no position to judge what RPGs can and what not, but it´s stupid as fuck not to see that any activity can be used to work on your psyche.

I daresay RPGs from our geeky context aren´t built for this. But neither is playing Volleyball.

A professional must know his tools. RPGs can be one of them, be they therapeutical or regular Adventuresome Games.

When someone writes an RPG about killing sinful people to therapize himself for his traumata in a looney Cult, then it does get creepy, though. And I´m not sure if the self healing process  of writing is well fitted to serve others with their "issues".

Quote from: JimBobOzMate, Jocelyn does roleplaying as therapy. I shit you not - he's got threads about it on rpg.net.

Anyone who says, "let's pretend to be elven princesses, it'll help you deal with your traumas" is obviously Master Geek Level of obliviousness. Don't sweat it.

I know it's kinda cool these days to pretend roleplaying has to be mindless, pointless fun but it isn't the case.

On the subjet of the shitstorm:

I have met Jocelyn once (he wouldn't know it from my handle). He's a really enthusiastic gamer. He's genuinely into his work too. And finally, he is a very decent, nice person. So I'm kind of feel bad about the crap he is getting.

Having said that, his attitude, particularly on forums, does tend to be high and mighty. His judgment on all things is constantly colored. He's extremely protective of his field of work and that explains many of his misguided and naive views on what is/is not therapy, who can use it and how.

By the same token, he'll never admit it, but he has a strong dislike of the Forge because he doesn't like what the theory has to say about gamers like him.  He overreacted to Balbinus' joke because of this. His psychological violence argument, while understandable, doesn't hold much water when Jocelyn himself has been known to flame people and games left and right.

He's a nice guy but not to be taken seriously at all when he gets on his pedestal. Which is something he likes to do.

Quote from: Consonant DudeHe's a nice guy but not to be taken seriously at all when he gets on his pedestal. Which is something he likes to do.

Then he should be right at home here...also "here" we apparently do take folks seriously when they get on their pedestals, so it's double the fun.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: Consonant DudeI know it's kinda cool these days to pretend roleplaying has to be mindless, pointless fun but it isn't the case.

Never said it had to be "mindless".

That's the good old "fallacy of the excluded middle" again. You know, like,
"I don't believe in capital punishment."
"What, so we should let them all go?!"
"I'm in favour of capital punishment."
"What, so we should kill people for jaywalking?!"

There's a sensible middle ground. Roleplaying does not have to be either mindless fun or therapy. It can be a fun, interesting and fulfilling experience, while being neither mindless nor therapy.

Quote from: Consonant DudeI have met Jocelyn once (he wouldn't know it from my handle). He's a really enthusiastic gamer. He's genuinely into his work too. And finally, he is a very decent, nice person. So I'm kind of feel bad about the crap he is getting.

We're all nice people in person. We all have at least a few of - friends, other hobbies, families, spouses, jobs, broken hearts, devout faith, gave to charity, once kicked a dog, whatever. So what? When we're being stupid or talking shit, people call us on it. If Jocelyn couldn't spot that Balbinus was talking shit, well then he was being stupid. And the "psychological violence" bit - that was talking shit.

Quote from: Consonant DudeBy the same token, he'll never admit it, but he has a strong dislike of the Forge because he doesn't like what the theory has to say about gamers like him.  

Why? Both he and Forgers say that roleplaying is good for therapy. Jocelyn just says you should do it deliberately, while the Forgers say that all roleplaying is group therapy whether you intend it or not. Same shit, different shovel.

Quote from: SettembriniNo, you are the dumb fucker.

I daresay RPGs from our geeky context aren´t built for this. But neither is playing Volleyball.

A professional must know his tools. RPGs can be one of them, be they therapeutical or regular Adventuresome Games.

When someone writes an RPG about killing sinful people to therapize himself for his traumata in a looney Cult, then it does get creepy, though. And I´m not sure if the self healing process  of writing is well fitted to serve others with their "issues".

Sett ,
 Are you one of those who considers yourself  "too cool" or "too dignified"  to be associated with those "geeky people"?

Just wondering.

 Again with the "Adventuresome Games" phrase or "adventure Games"  tag.
 Why not just call them Games or RPGs?

- Ed C.

Quote from: J ArcaneThere's a difference between roleplaying therapy, and roleplaying games.

I think everyone who forgets that, deserves laughing at.

So HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH to you, you dumb fucker.

Never said they were synonyms. However, RPGs can be used as part of theapy, which is what I was referring to. I'm sorry, I assumed it would be obvious from the posts in this thread what was being discussed. Hopefully this clarifies things a bit.

What I personally found illarious about the whole thing is the following gem taken from the follow-up thread in trouble tickets :

My guess is you'll probably be politely reminded that beefs with individual mods aren't to be made public and should be PMed.

Never, ever, take your beef with the rpg.net staff to PMs. Keep everything nice and public. It greatly reduces your chances of silently disappearing without anyone hearing about it.

That's true. But if you make your beef public, you'll still disappear - just publicly, and loudly.

It all depends on whether you're trying to Make A Statement - which is pointless, and will be forgotten in moments by all watchers - or would rather keep posting.

If you've got a beef with the rpg.net moderation, shut the fuck up. Even if you support them, shut the fuck up. They don't like you discussing moderation at all. That's why they have that "no backtalking mods" business.

Any questioning or discussion of moderator decisions, even favourable, will make you stand out amongst the 31,000+ members. When a nail sticks up, they hammer it down. If you want to be able to post there, don't stand out to the mods. Another good way to escape their notice is to never post in Tangency :hehe:

Quote from: JimBobOzWhy? Both he and Forgers say that roleplaying is good for therapy. Jocelyn just says you should do it deliberately, while the Forgers say that all roleplaying is group therapy whether you intend it or not. Same shit, different shovel.

IIRC, Jocelyn is a deep immersion role-player and I figure that's what Consonant Dude was referring to.

Quote from: JimBobOzThere's a sensible middle ground. Roleplaying does not have to be either mindless fun or therapy. It can be a fun, interesting and fulfilling experience, while being neither mindless nor therapy.

Indeed. But there will always be people like you to look down upon more ambitious roleplaying goals and I think that's not a good attitude.

It's just as bad as those who like to look down on those who just want to dungeoncrawl.

There's a middle ground, but I don't know if it is much more sensible than the "extremes". I just don't think there's anything wrong with trying things that may sound extreme to some, something that seems to be a problem for many participants of the Forge, RPGsite and RPG.net.