You were warned!

So the new showrunner ushers in the era of the first female actor to play the lead in Dr Who.

Let's have it, you cucks!

Quote from: Biscuitician;975951You were warned!

So the new showrunner ushers in the era of the first female actor to play the lead in Dr Who.

Let's have it, you cucks!

Biscuitician, this subforum is not for political conversation like the pundit subforum. Personally I think this topic is probably of interest though to the people on the forum. So lets keep this thread up, and obviously talking about the new Doctor being a woman is fair game, because it is relevant, but can we not go full throttle with the political stuff in this particular subforum? (so no more "cucks" or Tangency stuff please---a real Doctor Who discussion would be cool and don't won't to have to close it down).

It is very early to tell, but she looks like a good choice to me. I checked out some interviews with her (haven't seen broadchurch so don't know how she is as a performer) but her mannerisms seemed to fit the Doctor for me. Of course, we'll have to wait like a year to see her do anything more than regenerate (unless Capaldi regenerates midway through the Christmas Special or something).

Disappointing and I guess reason enough to cut a show from my viewing list

How about a link to whatever you're talking about? I thought they just changed actors last year. Can't say I follow Dr. Who as every episode I've seen of the modern stuff has been boring. Tom Baker is Dr. Who.

Quote from: Dumarest;975973How about a link to whatever you're talking about? I thought they just changed actors last year. Can't say I follow Dr. Who as every episode I've seen of the modern stuff has been boring. Tom Baker is Dr. Who.

Yeah nuWho has never hit the highs of the old.

Quote from: Dumarest;975973How about a link to whatever you're talking about? I thought they just changed actors last year. Can't say I follow Dr. Who as every episode I've seen of the modern stuff has been boring. Tom Baker is Dr. Who.

Here is a link to the story: http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-40624288

Quote from: HorusArisen;975961Disappointing and I guess reason enough to cut a show from my viewing list

seems a bit extreme.

what's the reason for writing the show off before you've even seen it?

I've always been a tru-who fan myself but have watched all the nu-who series too and have enjoyed them well enough, but this has me a little worried I have to admit. It's not the fact that they're going with a woman so much as the apparent willingness to lever-in a woman to what has always been a male character, and for what? I mean what's the reason for it when all's said and done? And I don't think it's enough to simply say, 'well they did it with the Master/Missy and that turned out great', or 'the doctor's not human and has always changed into someone else'. The fact is, the doctor has always been a man, and to suddenly change him into a woman needs more of an explanation for me than, 'it's always been possible so why not?'. Missy was a great character. I enjoyed her a lot but I didn't really see her as the Master either. In fact, even now, i have to remind myself that she's the Master and not some completely unrelated character, and I can see this happening with the doctor too.

Ultimately I suppose I just don't see the justification for this change, at least not from within the who universe itself. From outside looking in, now that's a little easier to understand i think given the current fad for embracing 'diversity'. The only thing that's missing now is a Muslim companion throwing down a prayer mat and going hell for leather with daily prayers in the TARDIS console room 5 times each episode.

I may like her in the end but I'm really struggling with the idea of changing him into her just because we can.

If the first female Doctor Who isn't Helen Mirren or Jenny Agutter, then who cares?

Quote from: jeff37923;975997If the first female Doctor Who isn't Helen Mirren or Jenny Agutter, then who cares?

Helen Mirren would make an excellent Doctor, but going in I think everyone pretty much knew the pick would be a younger person this time around, whether man or woman.

On the whole Doctor being a woman thing, I think every regeneration brings the challenge of selling the new doctor to the fans of the show and obviously changing the doctor's gender makes that challenge bigger. I don't know much about this particular actress. I just chased down some interviews with her on youtube and she seemed charismatic enough for me to pull it off. But it is going to come down to what kind of Doctor she is and how good the writing is. I think there is the danger of getting too meta with it (and they did a bit of that in the last half of Capaldi's season already). My hope is they just give us a good doctor, with good writing, and don't let the politics surrounding the choice overwhelm the story (especially when the pick speaks for itself). But it seems to me if any show can weather having the lead change from man to woman or woman to man, it would be Doctor Who as it is baked right into the concept (and they've been teasing the possibility for long enough now that it isn't a huge shock).

Michelle Gomez as Missy went a long way to selling me on this one. I bought her as the master pretty much as soon as I suspected she was the master. As long as they cast someone with the talent and charisma, it should be fine. But will see. All we have so far to go one is a trailer.

Quote from: Biscuitician;975980seems a bit extreme.

what's the reason for writing the show off before you've even seen it?

For better or worse my Doctor is a white male Brit, anything else is just someone playing at being the doctor.

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Helen Mirren would make an excellent Doctor, but going in I think everyone pretty much knew the pick would be a younger person this time around, whether man or woman.

On the whole Doctor being a woman thing, I think every regeneration brings the challenge of selling the new doctor to the fans of the show and obviously changing the doctor's gender makes that challenge bigger. I don't know much about this particular actress. I just chased down some interviews with her on youtube and she seemed charismatic enough for me to pull it off. But it is going to come down to what kind of Doctor she is and how good the writing is. I think there is the danger of getting too meta with it (and they did a bit of that in the last half of Capaldi's season already). My hope is they just give us a good doctor, with good writing, and don't let the politics surrounding the choice overwhelm the story (especially when the pick speaks for itself). But it seems to me if any show can weather having the lead change from man to woman or woman to man, it would be Doctor Who as it is baked right into the concept (and they've been teasing the possibility for long enough now that it isn't a huge shock).

Michelle Gomez as Missy went a long way to selling me on this one. I bought her as the master pretty much as soon as I suspected she was the master. As long as they cast someone with the talent and charisma, it should be fine. But will see. All we have so far to go one is a trailer.

Michelle Gomez/Missy was fantastic but she was never really the master. The best master of the NuWho was Derek Jacobi, short as that was...perfect

Quote from: HorusArisen;976008Michelle Gomez/Missy was fantastic but she was never really the master. The best master of the NuWho was Derek Jacobi, short as that was...perfect

Personally I bought her fully as the master. But if she didn't persuade you, she didn't persuade you.

Derek Jacobi was excellent as the master. We got him so briefly but what little we had was magnificent. My only complaint is how brief his stay was. But I suppose with time travel, it is entirely possible for him to make another appearance.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;976013Personally I bought her fully as the master. But if she didn't persuade you, she didn't persuade you.

Derek Jacobi was excellent as the master. We got him so briefly but what little we had was magnificent. My only complaint is how brief his stay was. But I suppose with time travel, it is entirely possible for him to make another appearance.

He was so underused.

Quote from: gufnork;975996Missy was a great character. I enjoyed her a lot but I didn't really see her as the Master either. In fact, even now, i have to remind myself that she's the Master and not some completely unrelated character, and I can see this happening with the doctor too.

Possibly because nuMaster has been borderline crazy villainous, rather than evil villainous, so presenting Missy as a Harley Quinn style crazy-funny villain is consistant with nuMaster but not The Master.

Honestly, a more blunt portrayal, done by the actress in a men's suit or even a contemporary women's business dress probably would've worked better.  As is she feels like Fishmalk Mary Poppins too much of the time.

Quote from: gufnork;975996I may like her in the end but I'm really struggling with the idea of changing him into her just because we can.

Sad thing: most Doctor actors are -not- liked for the first season or two.  I think it's because people need time to get used to the new actor, and new take on the character they've come to accept.  But if you aren't tripping over yourself to say how great this one is, you'll be labeled a misogynist.  Meanwhile, it seems to have taken the two showrunners even longer to figure out how to run the dang show, meaning that by the time the new guy figures out how stories get any good, she may be long gone.

Things that would make me happy, in a bitter way that helps no one: the new Doctor is stuck with a sidekick that is supposedly special and "impossible" and basically does any stupid thing they want while the Doctor goes on about how precious their emotions are.  Meanwhile, a man appears, sexually assaults the woman Doctor in the guise of a harmless kiss, calls her "Dearie" all the time like a RTD-era monster that repeats its one-word dialogue, and generally acts as though he were her equal (or superior) because of a fluke in time.  

Basically a gender-swap of everything Moffat did from seasons 4-9 (I admit to -really- liking 10 though).

Also, obligatory lesbian romances between nuDoctor and Missy because sooner or later the fans will be clamoring for it.