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Dear Dominus Nox,

At least twice now you've brought up this interesting stuff I currently call "that crazy KKK shit".  Most recently in a thread in the Help Desk area, where you write:

QuoteActually that's me they're talking about. You see, I once said that I have more respect for the KKK than I do all these PC types who preach "tolerance, acceptance and respect" out of one side of their mouths while spewing hate, abuse and bigotry out of the other.

To be honest I can't tell if you're playing devil's advocate or if you really hold this position.  I'm hoping it's the former, bit I'm afraid you've led me to suspect that the latter option is closer to the mark.  I'm a guy who has spent almost all of his life in his home state here in the midwestern USA, so my life experience is a bit more provincial than some who post here.  But in my limited experience the only people who ever have anything the least bit good to say about the KKK are racist assholes.

Maybe in your corner of the world people are more sophisticated and can say things like "You know that Hitler guy may have been a crazy-ass megalomaniacal fuck, but his fiscal policy was sound."  Maybe in your home town that's an invitation to a meaningful discussion of WWII era economics.  But where I'm from, saying anything at all that might be construed as the least iota either pro-Nazi or pro-KKK even in jest means you are drawing a line in the sand.  On one side of that line are the racists and bigots and assorted foes of civilization, on the other side are the friends of humanity.  So while you may not have intended these comments to mean anything of the sort, you words have led me to suspect you of being one of the enemy.

I do not write this accusation lightly, but with a heavy heart.  I do not go onto the internet looking for fights, and even here in the Off Topic section, I feel theRPGsite is not the proper venue for these sorts of discussions.  But at least for my own sake the air must be cleared.  I need to know where you really stand in this matter.  So I beg you,  state your position so that I may know it without any ambiguity.  Either repudiate your earlier remarks with regards to having any respect for the KKK, or restate your position in the clearest language possible.  If I have misread you, be assured I will apologize as broadly and resoundingly as possible for misinterpreting your statements.

Quote from: jrients(The following views are my own and are not intended to be the official position of theRPGsite.  As far as I can tell, theRPGsite has very few official positions beyond "spammers suck" and "hey, we like RPGs".  But given the nature of this post, I wanted to make it clear that I am not here acting in an official admin-type capacity.)

Dear Dominus Nox,

At least twice now you've brought up this interesting stuff I currently call "that crazy KKK shit".  Most recently in a thread in the Help Desk area, where you write:
To be honest I can't tell if you're playing devil's advocate or if you really hold this position.  I'm hoping it's the former, bit I'm afraid you've led me to suspect that the latter option is closer to the mark.  I'm a guy who has spent almost all of his life in his home state here in the midwestern USA, so my life experience is a bit more provincial than some who post here.  But in my limited experience the only people who ever have anything the least bit good to say about the KKK are racist assholes.

Maybe in your corner of the world people are more sophisticated and can say things like "You know that Hitler guy may have been a crazy-ass megalomaniacal fuck, but his fiscal policy was sound."  Maybe in your home town that's an invitation to a meaningful discussion of WWII era economics.  But where I'm from, saying anything at all that might be construed as the least iota either pro-Nazi or pro-KKK even in jest means you are drawing a line in the sand.  On one side of that line are the racists and bigots and assorted foes of civilization, on the other side are the friends of humanity.  So while you may not have intended these comments to mean anything of the sort, you words have led me to suspect you of being one of the enemy.

I do not write this accusation lightly, but with a heavy heart.  I do not go onto the internet looking for fights, and even here in the Off Topic section, I feel theRPGsite is not the proper venue for these sorts of discussions.  But at least for my own sake the air must be cleared.  I need to know where you really stand in this matter.  So I beg you,  state your position so that I may know it without any ambiguity.  Either repudiate your earlier remarks with regards to having any respect for the KKK, or restate your position in the clearest language possible.  If I have misread you, be assured I will apologize as broadly and resoundingly as possible for misinterpreting your statements.

For the record, I am dead serious about having more respect for the KKK than for hollywood. I've gove over it before and won't repeat it now except to say that while I may not like the KKK or any other christian organization very much at least the KKK is honest and doesn't preach against bigotry and hate while practicing it like hollywood does.

I mean it, i am sick of these smug, self righteous, pious hollywood types decrying how hurtful "prejudice" and "bigotry" are one second, then making hateful stereotypes of overweight people, rednecks, nerds, geeks, etc, the next. Fucking pompous hypocritical scum.

I happen to have an extreme intolerance towards hypocrites, and for all their other failing the KKK isn't anywhere near as hypocritical as the hollywood PC elites. They're honest enough to admit they hate, and they don't cover up their hate by calling it 'comedy".

Lastly, when did I ever say anything good about the KKK? I said, and you can look this up, that they are not as hypocritical as the hollywood elite, and that they are more honest than the PC types who preach tolerance while practicing "acceptable" forms of bigotry against "acceptable" targets. That is NOT saying anything good about the KKK, it is saying that those who preach tolerance and acceptance while practicing 'safe' bigotry and intolerance are  morally WORSE.
 
End of discussion.

What I'm really curious about is what you would have said if he'd said "All niggers must die!", Mr Rients.

"I agree"?

Such. fine, honest folk--most of whom hide their faces behind hoods while preaching their hatred. Yeah. Right. There was a protest by a few of them not to long ago in a city adjacent to where I lived--they show up hooded, masked, because they're such dishonest cowards they won't admit in public unmasked their affiliation or beliefs.

For the record just about anyone who holds intolerance is dishonest. At the very least with themselves.

Quote from: Dominus NoxThat is NOT saying anything good about the KKK, it is saying that those who preach tolerance and acceptance while practicing 'safe' bigotry and intolerance are  morally WORSE.

Rail against the Hollywood elite that is oppressing you all you want, man.  But bringing the KKK into the discussion at all will only alienate people.  People like me, who would rather be counted among the greatest hypocrites of the world than acknowledge any respect for the frickin' Klan.  Please understand that what you are doing here is talking about having respect for an organization with a long documented history of racial violence.  When your hypocrits in Hollywood have racked up a history of church bombings and lynchings, maybe we can discuss this situation again.  Until then I will put your "KKK>Hollywood jerkwads" math in the same mental place I put the folks who blame "the jews" for 9/11 or Holocaust deniers.
 

QuoteEnd of discussion.

Indeed.  Thank you for clarifying.

Quote from: droogWhat I'm really curious about is what you would have said if he'd said "All niggers must die!", Mr Rients.

Something along the lines of "Please get off the board, fucko."

Quote from: Mr. Analytical"I agree"?

Mr. Analytical, I really don't think this thread is the best place for levity.  And my first post made it clear that I don't have much of a sense of humour in these things.

Hey, I'm the one who linked up the pro-KKK remarks with the post about whether or not you could host race hate websites in the UK without being prosecuted.  

I don't have much of a sense of humour about this either, which is why I drew attention to the fact that the evidence points to Dominus being a racist and am not impressed with his attempting to hide behind the fact that he hates hypocrisy more than he hates people who would burn someone alive simply for being of a different colour.

As it stands, I don't think he should be banned or anything because it's not as if he starts threads going "Boy I sure do hate me some niggers" but as far as I'm concerned there's no need for clarification... his true nature has revealed itself and despite being given multiple chances to do so. When challenged all he ever says is that he hates Hollywood more than he does the Klan, which is singularly unimformative.

Dominus has had a number of chances to clarify his position on racial relations but he refuses to state that he isn't a racist.

I think it's pretty clear what he is but his hideous belief system shouldn't prevent him from holding forth on RPGs and he seemingly keeps it well under wraps.

Just an official note: I don't believe Dominus Nox is actually a full-blown KKK-guy in disguise. If he was, I would find myself having to do my first banning; not because of any notion of stifling his speech but because my experience has shown that if you let one guy start making racist speech on a message board, pretty soon the word gets out and the whole board gets filled with skinheads and neo-nazis.

But like I said, I don't think he's a neo-nazi. I just think he's an idiot.

Basically, consider that he's comparing making fun of fat people or people who don't wash themselves with burning down churches and hanging people.  This is the geek persecution complex taken to its utmost extreme.

And let's be serious here; is there absolutely anyone on this thread that would bet against the odds that Dominus is himself a grossly overweight pimply nosepicker with hygene issues?

He's clearly got all the social dysfunctions of your standard lawncrapper, including an apparent mentally defective inability to understand why claiming that the KKK are "honest folk" would strike anyone as wrong.

So there you go, dominus: I'm going to stand up and place my bets that you're not actually a neo-nazi. You're just a fuckwit who lives in his parent's house and won't ever get to have sex with a real human woman ever.

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPunditJust an official note: I don't believe Dominus Nox is actually a full-blown KKK-guy in disguise. If he was, I would find myself having to do my first banning; not because of any notion of stifling his speech but because my experience has shown that if you let one guy start making racist speech on a message board, pretty soon the word gets out and the whole board gets filled with skinheads and neo-nazis.

But like I said, I don't think he's a neo-nazi. I just think he's an idiot.

Basically, consider that he's comparing making fun of fat people or people who don't wash themselves with burning down churches and hanging people.  This is the geek persecution complex taken to its utmost extreme.

And let's be serious here; is there absolutely anyone on this thread that would bet against the odds that Dominus is himself a grossly overweight pimply nosepicker with hygene issues?

He's clearly got all the social dysfunctions of your standard lawncrapper, including an apparent mentally defective inability to understand why claiming that the KKK are "honest folk" would strike anyone as wrong.

So there you go, dominus: I'm going to stand up and place my bets that you're not actually a neo-nazi. You're just a fuckwit who lives in his parent's house and won't ever get to have sex with a real human woman ever.

RPGPundit

generally, I'm not into the whole trash someone thing but I think this time it is deserved.

Quote from: RPG PunditThis is the geek persecution complex taken to its utmost extreme.

Yeah.  This is my read as well.  Anyone with a normal set of social skills, even many racist idiots, would have backed down when called on this shit.  I've known plenty of people who will say stupid racist stuff but then quickly fall back when confronted.  In my experience these mistakes are made repeatedly only by the kind of socially maladaptive type who doesn't understand subtle ideas like "context" or the fact that other people have hot buttons which you really oughtn't push.

Jrients, pundy, fuck you both. You can say what you want about me, but you are both piling one person and attacking at cowards odds.

Fuck you, I have the guts to say what I believe regardless of how many  pussies pile on me.


BYW, you claim that people who make movies in which overweight people exist solely to be attacked and abused aren't hurting anyone. Well, you're fucking ignorant morons then, because when kids see these movies they catch the idea that it's fun to abuse overweight people, and guess what happens to the overweright kids they go to school with? They get put thru hell and many are driven to suicide every year.

But why bother trying to explain that to you?  You both have your heads o far up your asses you can't even smell your own shit.

I likes it when we piles onto pussy. Especially white pussy!

You'd think he'd be happy to have pussy piled on top of him.  I know I would be.

Quote from: Dominus NoxJrients, pundy, fuck you both. You can say what you want about me, but you are both piling one person and attacking at cowards odds.

Dude, you are going to have a hard time making anything stick to me.  Not because I'm a saint.  I'm not.  But because you call two guys on the internet cowards while at the same time telling people about your level of respect for those honest guys in the KKK.

QuoteFuck you, I have the guts to say what I believe regardless of how many  pussies pile on me.

Oh, boy!  You have an opinion on the internet and you won't back down when I say it's a shitty one!  You brave, manly man.

QuoteBYW, you claim that people who make movies in which overweight people exist solely to be attacked and abused aren't hurting anyone. Well, you're fucking ignorant morons then, because when kids see these movies they catch the idea that it's fun to abuse overweight people, and guess what happens to the overweright kids they go to school with? They get put thru hell and many are driven to suicide every year.

But why bother trying to explain that to you?  You both have your heads o far up your asses you can't even smell your own shit.

I say if you want to take on the Hollywood elite for making crappy movies with bad messages, rock on.  Seriously, go for it.  I don't dispute that Hollywood makes movies with shitty messages.  What I do dispute is that anyone but a maladjusted self-righteous fucktard with a persecution complex would ever think that bad Hollywood movies justify saying nice things about the KKK.  If you had an ounce of sense in your fool head, you would know that.

You're calling me a pussy because people like Pundit are jumping into this thread and agreeing with me.  That's not always the sign of a dogpile, son.  Sometimes that is a sign that you're wrong and eveybody else is right.  You seem to want some people who make movies that inspires some idiots to drive some kid to suicide to be a worse villain than a gang of masked thugs who kill people.  Let that soak in for a moment before you type your next response.

I don't know you outside this forum, maybe you're a fat kid in high school suffering torments right now.  Maybe you're an adult who's still hurt by those experiences.  Maybe you had a friend or loved one who killed themselves.  I don't know.  What I do know is that your experiences, horrific though they may be, don't make Hollywood more evil than the god-damned Klan.  Your gut may be telling you otherwise, but your gut is just plain wrong.  Get it over it.

Incidentally, when my wife hears a fella use "pussy" as an insult she usually responds with something like "Pussy is bad?  When did pussy become bad?  Last I checked pussy was the most wonderful and cherished thing in most men's lives."

Quote from: jrientsIncidentally, when my wife hears a fella use "pussy" as an insult she usually responds with something like "Pussy is bad?  When did pussy become bad?  Last I checked pussy was the most wonderful and cherished thing in most men's lives."

Hang on to that one.