Well if at least 10 to 20 more people put him on ignore, things might get more interesting in a good way .

- Ed C

QuoteLikewise, the continued presence of a person who expresses blatant and vile racism, who openly advocates genocide, lowers me. I am less of a man just talking to him. Who does not feel a little sour and a tinge of shame when they realise they're talking to a person with such attitudes?

More importantly, he lowers the overall perception of this website by a significant degree.  He brings all of us down, jsut by being here.  This is a site with an image problem already, I don't see as how keeping around a racist prick like Nox is going to help with that at all.  Pundit and Sett and such are just benign crazy, and they're too much for a lot of folks I've talked to about it to get over.  Adding a shithead like Nox is jsut too much.

QuoteDominus Nox should be banned from therpgsite. Alternately, he could be banned from the Off-Toic forum. I don't care what he thinks, only what he says - and he seems able to keep his vile racism in Off-Topic, so if he were kept out of there, whether by moderator fiat or some forum software function, that might do the trick.

And given Nox's general level of respect for any kind of authority, I'd say it's pretty damn obvious he'd start taking it outside of off-topic right damn quick if a forum ban were put in place.  


Personally, I think that the only reason not to ban the little shit head is the fact that it's exactly what he wants.  And I just never feel happy about obliging the desires of racist fucksticks.

JimBob I have a fairly detailed response which I will post later on (a little busy right now)...said response will probably not do any favours for the perception (online) some (most ?) folks have of me. I don't think I'll come of looking very good, *shrug* .

Regards,
David R

Quote from: JimBobOzI am less of a man just talking to him.

Here's an idea: don't talk to him.

Quote from: JimBobOzDominus Nox should be banned from therpgsite. Alternately, he could be banned from the Off-Toic forum. I don't care what he thinks, only what he says - and he seems able to keep his vile racism in Off-Topic, so if he were kept out of there, whether by moderator fiat or some forum software function, that might do the trick.

If someone does get a ban, it sure as hell better not be just for an issue only relevant to the Off Topic section of the forum.

I wasn't aware anyone on therpgsite had a negative perception of David R.

laffingboy, I don't think that trying to shape a website is a way to kill it. When RPGPundit started it, he tried to shape it by saying it'd have no moderation. He was trying to produce a certain kind of forum. And yet it's not dead.

Whatever we post to the place shapes it, whether we're trying to or not.

If we're voting, I vote no.

Sometimes I agree with Nox, sometimes I don't. His main probem seems to be an inability to form a sentence on any passionate issue without peppering it with vulgarities. But hell, Pundit does that, too. I don't agree with HIM all the time, either, but I don't see anyone saying we should ban Pundit.

Yes, I know, this is all about his views on brown people and Muslims (and Christians and Republicans, though really, those views don't seem to bring out the same torch-bearing crowds). He views them all about equally. But its his incivility that I imagine is the real problem, not the subjects. By that I mean, if he tried to have a reasoned dicsourse, he'd be granted a bit more lee-way - rightly or wrongly.

At any rate, I tend to read what he has to say, go "Huh" and move on, kinda like you'd do at the monkey-house at a zoo, for example. Has no bearing on me, personally, and after all, if we're going to be a place you can say what's on your miind without fear of reprisal, we should be able to say what's on our mind without fear of reprisal. And, as Koltar pointed out, we do have an IL function.

My .02Cr.

Quote from: hgjsHere's an idea: don't talk to him.

So if I come into your home, and tell your wife she has nice tits but your kids are ugly, or go into your church and loudly pray Jewishly, or go to your court room and tell the judge he's full of shit, you'll just not talk to me, and not ask me to leave?

Quote from: hgjsIf someone does get a ban, it sure as hell better not be just for an issue only relevant to the Off Topic section of the forum.

Off-Topic is the front porch of the house of the forum. You're having a party, everyone's having a nice chat, but there's this guy, every time he goes to the front porch, he yells at your Moslem neighbours and says he wants to kill them all.

You'd ask him to stay inside the house and not yell at the neighbours, right? And if he refused, to leave?

Of course, therpgsite is not anyone's home. It's more like a community centre. So imagine that. You're at a roleplaying games convention. There's this guy who when he's at the front of the convention hall, yells at the Moslem neighbours...

RPGPundit's "lawncrapper" analogy comes to mind. He was just talking about people being smelly and stupid. I'd add "blatantly racist" to that. If we're going to chuck gamers out because they're smelly dorks, why not because they're blatantly racist? If we chuck out Catpissman, why not chuck out Klansman?

Or do you want to keep Catpissman, too?

Some things never change.

Like self-proclaimed people's tribune JimBob trying to ban other people.

This sounds like a personal problem for some of the posters here. If we are truly looking at the damaging effects of posters on this board and its good image then there are much bigger fish to fry than Nox. If you have a personal problem put him on your IL or just, well, ignore him.

As to freedom of speech and the responsibility of civility...man, PKB.

I would vote not to ban Nox for many of the reasons other posters have already made but paramount, for me, is I just do not care one whit. I hardly interact with him and when I do, it is usually about gaming material (and I might add he is better behaved on those subjects than many other posters on this board). Now, I would not say I have befriended Nox and yes, I would go as far as to say his posts are repulsive and offensive, but I have trained myself to ignore him (I do not use an IL list). He is a poster at a board I am at. He, usually, keeps his agenda within the OT forum. That is where it belongs IMO. In the end, it just is not that big a deal to me.

Finally, if you are truly concerned about changing the image of the board, I suggest you start a thread on banning Pundit. That would have a much larger effect.

Bill

Quote from: JimBobOzWhatever we post to the place shapes it, whether we're trying to or not.

I agree completely. I just think that the site should be shaped by posts, not by the absence of posts from people who've been deemed 'bad for the community'.

The site's gonna grow into whatever it's gonna grow into. I'd like to see more posts from the demographics you mentioned, because I'd like to see more posts from any demographic which shares our common interests. If those groups are being driven away by the actions of some of our current members, that's a shame, I guess. But trying to create some sort of 'emotional safe zone' for those groups is, I fear, counter-productive at best.

The ethos here seems to be 'give as good as you get'. People who can stand up for themselves will always be welcomed here, mainly because they won't give a rat's ass whether they're welcomed or not. They'll simply come in, put their feet up on the furniture, and make themselves at home. As we all did.

Oh, and thank you for bringing this up. It's a good debate for us all to have, I believe.

Pierce, if you are going to bring up Roman republican offices of state in your comment, at least get them right.

The popular tribunes did not ban people, the Censor did. The Censor drew up the lists of people who were fit for senatorial rank. The appointed Dictator had an extension of the Censor's power in being able to put people on the proscription (banning) list, and drive them forth from the city. The tribunes didn't have this power.

I am arguing that our Dictator, RPGPundit, ought to use his assumed Censorial powers to put Dominus Nox on the proscription lists.

Quote from: JimBobOzSo if I come into your home, and tell your wife she has nice tits but your kids are ugly, or go into your church and loudly pray Jewishly, or go to your court room and tell the judge he's full of shit, you'll just not talk to me, and not ask me to leave?

The second is spam.  People get banned here for that daily.  As for insulting a host or mouthing off to a judge, RPGPundit has demonstrated a willingness to tolerate people insulting him as long as they have some other contribution.

Quote from: JimBobOzOff-Topic is the front porch of the house of the forum. You're having a party, everyone's having a nice chat, but there's this guy, every time he goes to the front porch, he yells at your Moslem neighbours and says he wants to kill them all.

My opinion differs.  Off Topic is meaningless.  Its only purpose is to give people a place to talk about issues unrelated to the main purpose of the site, to stop irrelevant discussions from flooding the rest of the board.  If Domnius Nox is insulting Muslims in Off Topic but not on the boards that matter, then in my opinion Off Topic is serving its purpose well.

Wasn't there a thread about him banning him already ? Started by Pundit himself ?
 There was even a poll attached to it.

- Ed C.

Quote from: KoltarWasn't there a thread about him banning him already ? Started by Pundit himself ?
 There was even a poll attached to it.

- Ed C.

There was.  At the time the poll was taken, only 3 people out of the 56 who voted wanted to ban him.

I'll say this as a person with Muslim relatives: the level of discourse on this site regarding Islam and Muslims is the highest I've seen on any forum I post to. I think that this is a direct result of Nox's presence.