Quote from: JimBobOzShow me that mythusmage was generally disrupting the site by shitting all over some rpg discussion with his talk of the inherent goodness of sexual relations between adults and children.

If we can ban paedophilia talk, I don't see why we can't ban genocide talk; if we can allow one, we should allow the other.

And for that matter, I can start posting up some hardcore pr0n, yeah? Sure, it might offend people, but so long as I only do it in Off-Topic that's okay, yeah? Or is a picture of a vulva more offensive than advocating genocide?

Again, you might have a very decent argument for a topic-ban there.

Quote from: RPGPunditShit.. I agree with droog.

I think that's twice now....

Well, give the fucker a topic-ban, then. Probably easier just to ban him from Off-Topic altogether. I'm sure the forum software allows you to do that - let poster X only see forums Y and Z. Ask your tech admins.

I'd ban him from Off-Topic altogether rather than just topic-ban him, because it's a lot less work than figuring out the exact terms of the ban, and then deciding whether this or that post violates the ban or not. Plus, the guy's only human - if he sees a post or thread that brings the topic up, he'll post to it. Human nature. Take the temptation away.

Then if he posts off-topic stuff in rpg threads, well, that's easy - no-one gets to blather on with stuff unrelated to the thread topic all the time. Focus and direction and stuff.

I've decided to go ahead and do another public consultation thread in the help desk, on this very subject.

Go vote and make your arguments if you care to. I will consider them all.

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPunditDave, please point out to me recent occasions (as in, the last month or so) where he's done the above, after I had specifically warned him about it, in particular regarding Koltar, who was one of the specific people I'd warned him to stop shitting on in that way.

If you can show me that he's been threadcrapping RPG threads with off-topic personal attacks, then you're onto something. I hadn't seen any lately, but then I'm on vacation, and reading far fewer threads than what I usually do.

RPGpundit

How many times do you have to warn someone about a behavior before you finally decide that maybe he's just not going to listen?

I mean, how many people have become his latest threadcrap target, just in the time I've been on the site?  I can't really count them all any more.  I'm sure I've been a target myself, but I've had him ILed for so long I'd not really noticed.


I don't think a topic ban will do fuck all for the same reason that your warnings have done fuck all.  Much like how it's always been just a matter of time before he finds some new target poster to stalk across the boards, it's going to be jsut as much of a matter of time before he just can't help shouting about killing all the darkies.

Quote from: RPGPunditI think most of the people arguing that Nox shouldn't be banned are not Ultrasecret Racists that are secretly agreeing with Nox's implicit statements about genocide. And I think its kind of wimpy to resort to that kind of rhetorical tactic.  Its right up there with "if you don't agree with us about suspending civil liberties, then you must secretly want the terrorists to win". Or "if you're against allowing the Police to search without a warrant, then you must have something to hide!"

Look I never said that people who are arguing that Nox shouldn't be banned are secretly agreeing with Nox's implicit statements about genocide. In fact I agreed that freedom of speech is designed to protect the kind of speech Nox is so fond of. So, let's drop this bullshit line of argument, 'kay.

Regards,
David R

No you didn't, David.

You did say, in a few more words, that no-one argues with Nox's repugnant views because we're not offended by his calls for race-based genocide.

Quote from: David RThere's also another reason, a more uncomfortable one - for me anyway -that Nox will not be banned. The fact is that what he says does not really bother many folks. Sure it could be that he's on the IL of a whole lot of people, but the amount of views on his threads where he more often than not encourages genocide against Muslims, tells a different story.

I'm really trying to come up with a good and reasoned response here, and I generally find your posts really insightful and your campaigns interesting, but if I've got to fight against every dumbfuck thing that Nox says just to win the benefit of your doubt, fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

Well... I think what David R's saying is more like, "if you comment at all in a thread started by Nox where he rips of Moslems, etc, and you don't knock him down, then we're going to wonder if you agree with him or not."

If you just plain pay no attention to the non-rpg stuff old Nox comes up with, then we can't really judge anything about your attitudes. But if you jump into some thread where Nox is going, "rargh rargh ragheads must die also the sky is kinda blue today," and your response to that is, "actually the sky is kinda cloudy," well...

David R's initial comment was that Nox start a really racist thread, and people's comments are not about his racism, but about minor side details of his comments. It's like "the elephant in the room" or something. If you never go into the room, well then we can't judge what you think about the elephant. But if you go into the room, and walk gently around the edges of the elephant, touching everything else in the room...

Quote from: JimBobOzWell... I think what David R's saying is more like, "if you comment at all in a thread started by Nox where he rips of Moslems, etc, and you don't knock him down, then we're going to wonder if you agree with him or not."

If you just plain pay no attention to the non-rpg stuff old Nox comes up with, then we can't really judge anything about your attitudes. But if you jump into some thread where Nox is going, "rargh rargh ragheads must die also the sky is kinda blue today," and your response to that is, "actually the sky is kinda cloudy," well...

David R's initial comment was that Nox start a really racist thread, and people's comments are not about his racism, but about minor side details of his comments. It's like "the elephant in the room" or something. If you never go into the room, well then we can't judge what you think about the elephant. But if you go into the room, and walk gently around the edges of the elephant, touching everything else in the room...

Or start making cracks about dropping "pork bombs" . . .

Quote from: J ArcaneHow many times do you have to warn someone about a behavior before you finally decide that maybe he's just not going to listen?

And I am sure that a similar argument could have been used to justify your own banning from RPG.net.  

That's whole my point.  Nox has expressed amazingly unpopular views about politics and religion while being an asshole to boot.  Now people who disagree with his opinions want to ban him.  That is worrisome to me not because I think that Nox's posts are valuable, but rather because if this goes through then we will have to start drawing up a list of posters too unpopular to live.  And you, my friend, may very well one day end up on that list.  So may I.  I would prefer to stop that process from happening.

Jesus Christ, it truly boggles my mind that it is largely those who constantly bitch and moan about how they were unfairly excluded from the RPG.net community for expressing unpopular opinions and acting like assholes who are blind to this.


TGA

Quote from: JimBobOzIf you just plain pay no attention to the non-rpg stuff old Nox comes up with, then we can't really judge anything about your attitudes. But if you jump into some thread where Nox is going, "rargh rargh ragheads must die also the sky is kinda blue today," and your response to that is, "actually the sky is kinda cloudy," well...

Yes.  Perhaps we need a commissar to keep track of the purity of our postings.  I am sure that you would like to see that.  You seem to be applying for the position.

You know, what really chaps my hide is that you are the one always going on about "Cheetoism" and the dangers of taking your hobby too seriously.  Here's a thought.  Maybe by doing this you are making this stupid fuck much more relevant than he deserves to be.

Maybe you should just go eat some Cheetos.


TGA

Quote from: The Good AssyrianJesus Christ, it truly boggles my mind that it is largely those who constantly bitch and moan about how they were unfairly excluded from the RPG.net community for expressing unpopular opinions and acting like assholes who are blind to this.

Maybe I'm a crusty old cynic, but it doesn't surprise me at all.

Quote from: J ArcaneOr start making cracks about dropping "pork bombs" . . .

Yeah, because making a tasteless joke should equal bannination... :rolleyes:

By that standard we are all fucked.


TGA

A startling number of those "unpopular opinions" were "rpg.net should maybe be about roleplaying games", "Tangency is killing this site", and the like. At least as far as I'm aware.

Even so, I manage to keep my shit together on a day-to-day basis over there. Does that mean I'm allowed to suggest he's a negative feature of the site?

Quote from: droogI'm coming from the opposite angle from you. You don't care what people think as long as they don't say it. I think it's better if they say it and everybody can take their measure.

Because it needed to be said again.


TGA