The more I read of pundits 'I'm right and you're wrong and don't know it' type of arguements the more I notice his similarities with the king kool-aid maker of the Forge.  Ah well I've already thrown out most of his ideas and theories as useless banter long ago, stacked right up there beside the same people he gripes about.

Ah well just my two cents.

Quote from: peteramthorThe more I read of pundits 'I'm right and you're wrong and don't know it' type of arguements the more I notice his similarities with the king kool-aid maker of the Forge.  Ah well I've already thrown out most of his ideas and theories as useless banter long ago, stacked right up there beside the same people he gripes about.

Ah well just my two cents.

Nah, that's pretty much spot on.  Pundit, Settembrini, Abyssal Maw, the lot are basically guilty of the exact same shit they swear up and down they're above.  

It's really quite pathetic, honestly, the pure hypocrisy is almost staggering.

Quote from: peteramthorThe more I read of pundits 'I'm right and you're wrong and don't know it' type of arguements the more I notice his similarities with the king kool-aid maker of the Forge.  Ah well I've already thrown out most of his ideas and theories as useless banter long ago, stacked right up there beside the same people he gripes about.

For all his faults, the one thing that makes RPGPundit a better forum owner than Ron is that RPGPundit will tolerate you disagreeing with him or even calling him a jerk or a lawn crapper in these forums and you could have a whole discussion about why the RPGPundit is wrong about anything here without being shunned, having the thread closed, or being banned.

Quote from: Christmas ApePrecisely jack shit. Like it or not, the forum's population as a whole will largely be judged by the worst, dumbest, most aggressive shit said by the dumbest, loudest, and most aggressive posters, at least on first glance.

Correct, just like hobbies are judged by their cat piss men and their lawn crappers.  Which is why I've said, and still think, that RPGPundit is essentially a lawn crapper in the hobby (the written equivalent of a cat piss man).  He makes it look bad.  But the reason why I'm here is that this particular lawn crapper has the guts to run a message board where you won't get moderated for saying so, not simply for calling the moderator a lawn crapper but for calling anyone else one because it might hurt someone's feelings.

Quote from: John MorrowFor all his faults, the one thing that makes RPGPundit a better forum owner than Ron is that RPGPundit will tolerate you disagreeing with him or even calling him a jerk or a lawn crapper in these forums and you could have a whole discussion about why the RPGPundit is wrong about anything here without being shunned, having the thread closed, or being banned.

This is true, and is A Good Thing.

However, it won't stop people who want to bash theRPGsite (for whatever reason) quoting Pundit's madness as evidence. Sadly.

- Q

Quote from: QuireHowever, it won't stop people who want to bash theRPGsite (for whatever reason) quoting Pundit's madness as evidence. Sadly.

Correct.  Which is why, if this were a game store, he'd be the cat piss man keeping nice people away.

Quote from: J ArcaneNah, that's pretty much spot on.  Pundit, Settembrini, Abyssal Maw, the lot are basically guilty of the exact same shit they swear up and down they're above.  

It's really quite pathetic, honestly, the pure hypocrisy is almost staggering.

I fully agree on this. I also would like to add one thing: I find the discussions on RPG.net happenings the most worthless stuff that happens around here. Of course, this is an Off Topic forum, and everyone's entitled to talk about whatever shit they want. I just find it sad.

And I feel it worthy to note it again: most of the anti Swine warriors' discourse is very similar (when not the same) to the discourse of the people they hate. And most chatting about RPG.net is focused n its mods; they same will be said about this place, and this things don't paint the place in a good light.

Quote from: Christmas ApeLike it or not, the forum's population as a whole will largely be judged by the worst, dumbest, most aggressive shit said by the dumbest, loudest, and most aggressive posters, at least on first glance.

Who's going to off Nox then? Otherwise, we're fucked, and nothing Pundit says is going to matter one way or another

I think Pundit's trying to say he doesn't have a problem with women, he has a problem with relationships with women.  I don't agree with his assessment.  As CA plans, I already married my best friend.  And I make her give me things for sex, so...

Guess Pundork isn't hot enough to demand favors for his favors.

Quote from: James J SkachWho's going to off Nox then? Otherwise, we're fucked, and nothing Pundit says is going to matter one way or another

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If people judged this board negatively, it might be because people insist on attacking someone and making threads devoatedf to flaming someone rather than use their IL option.

That's pretty stupid, and also trying to flame someone into leaving/getting banned rather than ILing him is kinda unamerican.

QuoteAnd I feel it worthy to note it again: most of the anti Swine warriors' discourse is very similar (when not the same) to the discourse of the people they hate.

I can't speak for the other guys but in my case that's absolutely 100% intentional.

I'd like to say something. I rarely post, and am usually happily zig-zagging along in lurk mode, but I feel compelled to defend Pundit here.

From what I can see of el Pundito :pundit:, he'd probably be a terrible husband or boyfriend, since he seems to be carrying a great deal of baggage from past relationships. Plus, his statements are virtually guaranteed to offend somebody somewhere sometime. But....

....he's bitterly opposed to censorship. That is a big freaking deal. You can tell him to eat shit, and piss off, and yet not be paranoid about the "Ban Hammer of God" squashing you flat. Even though we can say what we want, if we act like dicks, then the other forum members on therpgsite will not hesitate to put us in our place. That is good, yes?

It would be lovely if more women posted here , but I don't see that happening without drastically censoring things on this site. I think the reason for that is that this place is a reaction to places like the Forge and rpg.net. And you know what? I'm fine with that! I'll use baseball as an analogy. The Red Sox are more fun when they have a nemesis like the Yankees to fight with. (it's fun to say, "Yankees suck" ) So think of us as the Boston Red Sox. Anyway, wiser minds than mine might have a solution for the small female population, but I can't seem to think of anything.

I hope I don't get in trouble for this, but I'll just say it: the rpg.net way is the wrong way. I love rpg.net, but not because of the moderation, but rather in spite of it. Their method of censorship and inconsistent, indecipherable forum rules (aside from, "don't piss off the mods") makes it hard to post there. It encourages the mods to be snarky, to choose favorites, and encourages the forumites to heavily kiss moderator ass. This changes the tone of the website. People will react passive-aggressively rather than fight out in the open, so hostilities linger for a very long time. Is that really a good thing? (I hope my saying this doesn't cause them to ban me. )

Just to let anyone know, I have an account on rpg.net, and I've never been involved in a flame war. Not once. I've never been warned or banned by a mod, but even I notice that their website is NOT as fun as it used to be. The mods have been overly snarky, the passive-aggressiveness gradually increased, and the discussions just aren't as cool as they once were.

When the forum rules are different for a certain "clique", that's bad. It feels too much like high school, and I don't want to go back to high school.

You know what upsets people about rpg.net? Aside from the inconsistent mod rulings, and the outrageous favoritism? Rpg.net is the single largest general rpg community on the net, with tens of thousands of people. The place used to be great. Now it's only good. We grieve over the lost opportunity and wasted potential. It's a mere shadow of the greatness that it once was, and could be again.

When some people say, "oh, it's just an internet website, who cares?", I say, "it's an internet COMMUNITY of over 30,000 people". That's larger than the population of my hometown! :haw:

Communities matter, whether they're flesh and blood, or internet-based. They matter because we have a deep need to communicate with each other. I can't speak for anyone else, but if I never had use of the internet again, my life would be less. Yeah, I have a life outside the internet, with close friends, a girlfriend, family, various offline hobbies, but I just LOVE perusing my internet message boards. So sue me! :mad: :haw:

In regards to this website, I firmly believe that if Pundit didn't stress such a "hands-off" policy in regards to moderation, then this place would not have grown so large, so fast. Call me crazy, but I can foresee this site being at least half the size of rpg.net in five years or so. There sure will be some "growing pains" then. :haw:

Thanks for listening, folks. Now maybe I'd better go start a Runequest thread.

Many regards,
 the Sacrificial Lamb

Thing is, do the ladies know about Pundit? If they do, then why aren't they here looking to tear him a new one? Shy, unworldly, and timid? Some people are living protected lives here.

I swear, some people fuss worse than an infant in an ammonia rotted diaper.

Quote from: Sacrificial LambFrom what I can see of el Pundito :pundit:, he'd probably be a terrible husband or boyfriend, since he seems to be carrying a great deal of baggage from past relationships. Plus, his statements are virtually guaranteed to offend somebody somewhere sometime. But....

....he's bitterly opposed to censorship. That is a big freaking deal.

True without question.  The RPGSite way is that when somebody says something Oh-my-God-Stupid and offensive, it is not referred up to the mods.  Rather, a collection of people get together and do the rhetorical equivalent of kicking the shit out of the offender out back of the gym.  Thus the community polices itself without resorting to centralized authority.

Seems to me that's exactly what is happening here.

J.Arcane and John Morrow both make very good points. I should just leave it at that but I won't. (Their comments are in no way linked with the following)

As far as gaming is concerned Pundit is a hypocrite. He is for all intents a Swine...Lawncrapper too. And so are few others on this site. I think it was Old Scratch or maybe someone else who said when refering to this place that he had no intention of coming here because he did not want to go to a place that filled him with so much negativity about the hobby he loved. I've heard that a lot.

There is a hell of a lot of negativity in this place. And by positive I don't mean the SteveD kind of cheerleading that goes on on tBP (This is not a knock on the Platypus) but rather the kind of positivity that folks like JimBob, TonyLB, Spike and a few others bring. The Pundit does have these moments to, but on the whole he seems more eager to sustain his rep as the BigBad "You Can't Handle (MY) The Truth" saviour of gaming.

The fact is that Pundit says that his views don't influence the way how he moderates this site. The fact is his views does effect the way how folks perceive this site. And I'm not talking about his dumbass views on women, but really which women would want to participate in a site where the owner thinks so lowly of them. Fact is, there are a hell of a lot of other places where they could contribute. I mean it's like calling an Indian/Pakistani man Paki and then sayin' "hey you're free to particpate here". I'm talking about the way how he pisses on anybody who does not like the stuff he likes.

And really when we talk of freedom of speech, this merely to translates to the freedom of calling other folks pricks. I've done my fair share of fighting for freedom of speech - which in the larger scheme of things means very little - so you would forgive me, if I say, that if this is the best thing one could say of the Pundit and his contribution to gaming..., then well, jeez fuckin' weak.

Theory ? Noboy gives a fuck about it. Whether on tBP or here, the same folks come and talk about the same shit. I think there are some folks who come here just to take a dump in the theory threads. No big deal really. This is what amounts to freedom of speech at least in this place.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not sayin' that freedom of speech is not important, just that is this context it means very little. I'm not sayin' we should have rules...I'm just sayin' that folks who use this whole freedom of speech argument and I'm talking about the Pundit here are just full of shit. Freedom of speech ain't gonna help this site. Oh, Pundit won't ban you or close threads but then he really won't ever have to.

This site won't reach the stage where there will be hundreds of users to monitor. And it won't get to that stage not because of folks like JimBob or GMS or any other flame warrior you can think of. It will be because the peception of Pundit will overshadow anything constructive anyone else does here.

Off course that's an accomplishment in itself and it would just prove me right, that what the Pundit really cares about is his rep to alienate gamers...or in his thinking a certain kind of gamer.

Regards,
David R

And so, RedFox, now you get what I was saying earlier.

Quote from: JimBobOzI bring up RPGPundit's comments, which you can read here if you've the stomach for it, to demonstrate that I'm not interested in hearing about some gamer geek's sexual proclivities, and that when I see blatant prejudice, I respond to it.

I mentioned Curt's sexuality for the same reason I mentioned RPGPundit's - it's an issue because they made it an issue. I expect a person's sexuality to be a fundamental part of their identity; I do not expect it to be a relevant part of their online persona, not if they're in an rpg forum, anyway.

Why do we mention that Curt is gay? Why do we mention that RPGPundit prefers schtupping prostitutes to genuine relationships? Because they told us, and made a big deal about it. They bring it up when it's completely irrelevant. They have a Message to send to us.

Now, if Curt said, "there are not enough gay heroes in rpg books," or if RPGPundit said, "why aren't there any rules for making money from prostitution? There should be a Hooker Prestige Class!" and if we said, "why do you care?" well then it might be relevant. But in general, it's not. But if someone babbles on about something which is irrelevant, people will remember them for it, and crack jokes about it.

That doesn't mean we hate gays or prostitutes.

And yes, it is true that RPGPundit doesn't take all this to heart and ban us for mocking him. But it is also true that really we don't want to know what he does with his willy. Whether it goes in a woman, a man, an accountant, or garbage collector, or hairdresser, or prostitute, or can of dog food - we don't care. We don't want to know. But if he insists on telling us anyway, you can be sure that we'll mock him for it. That doesn't make us bigots, that just makes us people who really would rather talk about rpgs, and think that a bit of mockery will put him off talking about his willy, and then we can get back to our dice and cheetos.

Curt is wrong in thinking that people mock him because he's gay. People mock him because nobody wants to hear what some pudgy-bellied pasty-skinned geek does with their genitals.