Just saw blade runner 2049. I was somewhat hesitant to do so given the last two movies with ridley Scott's name on them, Prometheus and covenant, were utter shitastrophres that were unfit to mention in context of his other classic, Alien.
Two people I respect saw it and said it was worth watching so I did.
OK, maybe ridley Scott had a brief flash of talent return or the writers and director simply hired actors to play them in the meetings while ignoring his input utterly.
In any event bladerunner 2049 was a worthy sequel to bladerunner. Not perfect and not as good as the original but a decent sequel.
Certainly not a bucket of fuckup like Prometheus and covenant were.
What's with the thread title? Is it a gag?
I liked it. It didn't have a Philip k.dick short story as a back bone, and it suffered for that. But the direction, acting, atmosphere lighting mood and theams were on.
Quote from: Nexus;1003676What's with the thread title? Is it a gag?
Squidward is trying to be all edgy and shit.
Quote from: jeff37923;1003682Squidward is trying to be all edgy and shit.
Telling a mod not to touch one thread is a sure way not to draw the attention of the mod.
I saw the movie it's a good and a decent sequel. Except as usually when denis villeneuve is not reined in he just makes a movie too long. Unnecesarily long imo. The pacing was so slow it made a glacier moving seem like warp speed. Keeping the camera overly long on certain shots of places. With a better director or more if they had at least made some editing to the movie it would have been great. What I saw should have been a Blu-Ray final cut edition. Cue the "you want fast movies, don't understand what the director was trying to achieve keep to watching that JJ Abrahams crap" response.
Cute.
I will let the thread stay since it is actually on topic and probably of interest to people. Schwartzwald, please don't antagonize the mods or try to address unrelated grievances in the thread titles. If you have issues with how I am modding threads, the site, or another poster, use the report button or take it to the help desk.
Man, when I saw you were the last poster in this thread, contrastign with the title, I wanted it locked on general principle (that principle being ironic humor, of course). I never get what I want.
I actually liked Prometheus. Took things in a completely new direction, but the fanbois of the xenomorph and
the sequel Aliens couldn't stop whining.
This blade runner sequel was OK. I'm not much of a Ryan Gosling fan and maybe that factored into it.
The RPGnet SJW take on it is entertaining as hell tho.
Link?
https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?816950-Blade-Runner-2049-(spoiler-thread)
Yeah I could see the sjw.net crowd bitching about how women were portrayed. The main female character is finally strong but she's an evil bitch! You're saying a woman has to be evil to be strong! The police Chief didn't even fight back! You're portraying women as weak! Another major female character is a whore! You're portraying women as sex objects! The tough woman character was beaten by a man! You're saying women can't beat men!
I was kinda snickering a little in the theater. I was wondering how many people would get redtexted and banned on sjw.net for not agreeing blade runner 2049 was the most sexist misogynistic movie ever made. But then the BHM bomb was dropped so someone might get to express an honest opinion on the movie without getting the banhammer.
This isn't the pundit subforum or rpg.net. Stop taking that stuff into threads on the regular forums.
Quote from: ArrozConLeche;1003737https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?816950-Blade-Runner-2049-(spoiler-thread)
What's the gist of it, if I may ask? That's allot to plow through.
If you guys want to talk about that, go there and do so. This is the very last time I am going to tell anyone on this thread to stop bringing these kinds of political and social issues into the Media Forum or the Main RPG forum.
Quote from: BedrockBrendan;1003786If you guys want to talk about that, go there and do so. This is the very last time I am going to tell anyone on this thread to stop bringing these kinds of political and social issues into the Media Forum or the Main RPG forum.
I'm sorry, I thought it was about the movie itself.
Can we talk about how the male gaze of the replicant owl perpetuates rape culture by objectifying the female audience of the first movie?
I swear, Bedrock, you're avoiding locking this thread just to mock me, aren't you? You even brought out the BOLD TEXT voice to keep it open!
I know that ridley Scott hated the voice overs in blade runner. I liked them and thought taking them out hurt the original movie badly. I understand leaving out the voice over in BR2049 .
But I wonder if anyone else liked the voice overs in the original BR as much as I did? Or did you like it better without them?
Quote from: Headless;1003680I liked it. It didn't have a Philip k.dick short story as a back bone, and it suffered for that. But the direction, acting, atmosphere lighting mood and theams were on.
Well, the first Blade Runner bore very little resemblance to the Dick novel anyway...
Quote from: Schwartzwald;1003874I know that ridley Scott hated the voice overs in blade runner. I liked them and thought taking them out hurt the original movie badly. I understand leaving out the voice over in BR2049 .
But I wonder if anyone else liked the voice overs in the original BR as much as I did? Or did you like it better without them?
It's a very different movie without the voice overs. I think they're both good, but I prefer the version without.
Quote from: Dumarest;1003901Well, the first Blade Runner bore very little resemblance to the Dick novel anyway...
This is true. I read Do androids dream of electric sheep. I wish there had been a movie novelization of blade runner.
Quote from: Schwartzwald;1003916This is true. I read Do androids dream of electric sheep. I wish there had been a movie novelization of blade runner.
There was a pretty darn good Marvel Comics adaptation.
Quote from: Headless;1003680I liked it. It didn't have a Philip k.dick short story as a back bone, and it suffered for that. But the direction, acting, atmosphere lighting mood and theams were on.
Have you read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? It is a pretty weak Dick novel and the original Blade Runner has very little to do with it.
Oops, see Dumarest beat me to it.
I liked the original unedited version of Blade Runner. The voiceovers gave it a nice detective feel.
No I haven't read Androids. I have read a bit of dick so I thought the short storybmust have helped the plot. Especially since thats what 2049 lacked and they had no short story.
Quote from: Voros;1003966Have you read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? It is a pretty weak Dick novel and the original Blade Runner has very little to do with it.
Oops, see Dumarest beat me to it.
I liked the book for what it was, but it wasn't much. So many interesting ideas are brought up but then left aside without much to do with the plot. A lot is implied and left to our imaginations, which is good, but on the whole it's not much more than a bounty hunter being told where to go and who to "kill"/"retire."
I've only read a handful of Dick stories... no, really!... including Androids. Frankly I was underwhelmed by him versus his Reputation. One of those cases where all the right people like him for all the wrong reasons, and thus shove an inferior author in our faces repeatedly as a 'great writer'.
Nope.
The short critique of his writing is that he's got some brilliant ideas but shit execution... and as I had to learn the hardway when I hit adulthood... Idea are worthless, its the work you put into using them that has value.
Quote from: Headless;1004032No I haven't read Androids. I have read a bit of dick so I thought the short storybmust have helped the plot. Especially since thats what 2049 lacked and they had no short story.
I think that the outline of the plot is similar to the movie, and some of the themes regarding empathy are similar too. One of the deleted scenes with Holden in the movie is virtually the same as in the novel.
The movie doesn't do much with the aspect of people in the novel's world gaining status from owning real animals, or fake ones that look very real, and the connection with Mercerism.
Quote from: Spike;1004112I've only read a handful of Dick stories... no, really!... including Androids. Frankly I was underwhelmed by him versus his Reputation. One of those cases where all the right people like him for all the wrong reasons, and thus shove an inferior author in our faces repeatedly as a 'great writer'.
Nope.
The short critique of his writing is that he's got some brilliant ideas but shit execution... and as I had to learn the hardway when I hit adulthood... Idea are worthless, its the work you put into using them that has value.
When you say stories do you mean short stories or novels? He was a merely adequete short story writer, his best acomplishments are novels. He also ground out half-formed novels at an insane rate, later with the 'help' of speed.
So he is very uneven and not helped by the fact that his cult populairty had lead to every single of of his novels, no matter their quality, having been republished. So his best novels are drowned in a sea of mediocrity.
His reputation would be better served if they just kept his best half dozen novels in print, of those I've read Man in High Castle easily remains the high point. Martian Time Slip is next.
Quote from: Voros;1004137When you say stories do you mean short stories or novels? He was a merely adequete short story writer, his best acomplishments are novels. He also ground out half-formed novels at an insane rate, later with the 'help' of speed.
So he is very uneven and not helped by the fact that his cult populairty had lead to every single of of his novels, no matter their quality, having been republished. So his best novels are drowned in a sea of mediocrity.
His reputation would be better served if they just kept his best half dozen novels in print, of those I've read Man in High Castle easily remains the high point. Martian Time Slip is next.
How did you like Valis?
Quote from: Voros;1004137When you say stories do you mean short stories or novels? He was a merely adequete short story writer, his best acomplishments are novels. He also ground out half-formed novels at an insane rate, later with the 'help' of speed.
So he is very uneven and not helped by the fact that his cult populairty had lead to every single of of his novels, no matter their quality, having been republished. So his best novels are drowned in a sea of mediocrity.
His reputation would be better served if they just kept his best half dozen novels in print, of those I've read Man in High Castle easily remains the high point. Martian Time Slip is next.
Lessee... Androids... novel? It wasn't terribly long. Man in the High Castle? Gave up on it because I couldn't get over his obsession with the I-ching. I have the I-Ching. If I want to read the I-Ching I'll fucking just READ THE FUCKING I-CHING! Not.. you know... the Man in the High Castle.
And one other that I can't remember the name of that was supposedly about some doctor with a super-tech surgery cyberhand? Only it was about post-surgery trans prostituites? I don't know, it was shit, the first Dick story I read and I kept waiting for the actual plot to start. But it was novel sized, so...
Of the three the only one that didn't irritate me was Androids, and I still didn't really like it. Lots of interesting ideas but, as I said, shoddy execution. So oh-and-three, which is pretty much enough for me to write him off entirely.
Androids was always considered second-rate til Bladerunner came out. I have no idea what book you're referring to regarding the surgeon, doesn't even sound like Dick but as I said he knocked off loads of inferior books. You can't judge any writer from a random selection of over 30-40 novels. Man in High Castle is a slow burn, there isn't that much about the I Ching in it.