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blade runner 2049. (keep your fucking treadlocking hands off this one bedrock.)

Started by Schwartzwald, October 26, 2017, 01:42:13 AM

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ArrozConLeche

#15
October 26, 2017, 04:06:16 PM
Can we talk about how the male gaze of the replicant owl perpetuates rape culture by objectifying the female audience of the first movie?

Spike

#16
October 26, 2017, 06:32:22 PM
I swear, Bedrock, you're avoiding locking this thread just to mock me, aren't you?  You even brought out the BOLD TEXT voice to keep it open!
For you the day you found a minor error in a Post by Spike and forced him to admit it, it was the greatest day of your internet life.  For me it was... Tuesday.

For the curious: Apparently, in person, I sound exactly like the Youtube Character The Nostalgia Critic.   I have no words.

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Schwartzwald

#17
October 26, 2017, 08:51:02 PM
I know that ridley Scott hated the voice overs in blade runner. I liked them and thought taking them out hurt the original movie badly. I understand leaving out the voice over in BR2049 .

But I wonder if anyone else liked the voice overs in the original BR as much as I did? Or did you like it better without them?

Dumarest

#18
October 26, 2017, 09:40:00 PM
Quote from: Headless;1003680I liked it. It didn't have a Philip k.dick short story as a back bone, and it suffered for that.  But the direction, acting, atmosphere lighting mood and theams were on.

Well, the first Blade Runner bore very little resemblance to the Dick novel anyway...

Warboss Squee

#19
October 26, 2017, 10:23:42 PM
Quote from: Schwartzwald;1003874I know that ridley Scott hated the voice overs in blade runner. I liked them and thought taking them out hurt the original movie badly. I understand leaving out the voice over in BR2049 .

But I wonder if anyone else liked the voice overs in the original BR as much as I did? Or did you like it better without them?

It's a very different movie without the voice overs. I think they're both good, but I prefer the version without.

Schwartzwald

#20
October 26, 2017, 10:24:43 PM
Quote from: Dumarest;1003901Well, the first Blade Runner bore very little resemblance to the Dick novel anyway...


This is true. I read Do androids dream of electric sheep. I wish there had been a movie novelization of blade runner.

Dumarest

#21
October 26, 2017, 10:30:49 PM
Quote from: Schwartzwald;1003916This is true. I read Do androids dream of electric sheep. I wish there had been a movie novelization of blade runner.

There was a pretty darn good Marvel Comics adaptation.

Voros

#22
October 27, 2017, 02:42:25 AM Last Edit: October 27, 2017, 02:45:30 AM by Voros
Quote from: Headless;1003680I liked it. It didn't have a Philip k.dick short story as a back bone, and it suffered for that.  But the direction, acting, atmosphere lighting mood and theams were on.

Have you read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? It is a pretty weak Dick novel and the original Blade Runner has very little to do with it.

Oops, see Dumarest beat me to it.

Omega

#23
October 27, 2017, 06:16:59 AM
I liked the original unedited version of Blade Runner. The voiceovers gave it a nice detective feel.

Headless

#24
October 27, 2017, 11:40:27 AM
No I haven't read Androids.  I have read a bit of dick so I thought the short storybmust have helped the plot.  Especially since thats what 2049 lacked and they had no short story.

Dumarest

#25
October 27, 2017, 01:29:57 PM
Quote from: Voros;1003966Have you read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? It is a pretty weak Dick novel and the original Blade Runner has very little to do with it.

Oops, see Dumarest beat me to it.

I liked the book for what it was, but it wasn't much. So many interesting ideas are brought up but then left aside without much to do with the plot. A lot is implied and left to our imaginations, which is good, but on the whole it's not much more than a bounty hunter being told where to go and who to "kill"/"retire."

Spike

#26
October 27, 2017, 06:06:16 PM
I've only read a handful of Dick stories... no, really!... including Androids.  Frankly I was underwhelmed by him versus his Reputation.   One of those cases where all the right people like him for all the wrong reasons, and thus shove an inferior author in our faces repeatedly as a 'great writer'.

Nope.





The short critique of his writing is that he's got some brilliant ideas but shit execution... and as I had to learn the hardway when I hit adulthood... Idea are worthless, its the work you put into using them that has value.
For you the day you found a minor error in a Post by Spike and forced him to admit it, it was the greatest day of your internet life.  For me it was... Tuesday.

For the curious: Apparently, in person, I sound exactly like the Youtube Character The Nostalgia Critic.   I have no words.

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ArrozConLeche

#27
October 27, 2017, 07:41:57 PM Last Edit: October 27, 2017, 08:47:28 PM by ArrozConLeche
Quote from: Headless;1004032No I haven't read Androids.  I have read a bit of dick so I thought the short storybmust have helped the plot.  Especially since thats what 2049 lacked and they had no short story.

I think that the outline of the plot is similar to the movie, and some of the themes regarding empathy are similar too.  One of the deleted scenes with Holden in the movie is virtually the same as in the novel.

The movie doesn't do much with the aspect of people in the novel's world gaining status from owning real animals, or fake ones that look very real, and the connection with Mercerism.

Voros

#28
October 27, 2017, 08:42:56 PM
Quote from: Spike;1004112I've only read a handful of Dick stories... no, really!... including Androids.  Frankly I was underwhelmed by him versus his Reputation.   One of those cases where all the right people like him for all the wrong reasons, and thus shove an inferior author in our faces repeatedly as a 'great writer'.

Nope.





The short critique of his writing is that he's got some brilliant ideas but shit execution... and as I had to learn the hardway when I hit adulthood... Idea are worthless, its the work you put into using them that has value.

When you say stories do you mean short stories or novels? He was a merely adequete short story writer, his best acomplishments are novels. He also ground out half-formed novels at an insane rate, later with the 'help' of speed.

So he is very uneven and not helped by the fact that his cult populairty had lead to every single of of his novels, no matter their quality, having been republished. So his best novels are drowned in a sea of mediocrity.

His reputation would be better served if they just kept his best half dozen novels in print, of those I've read Man in High Castle easily remains the high point. Martian Time Slip is next.

ArrozConLeche

#29
October 27, 2017, 08:46:53 PM
Quote from: Voros;1004137When you say stories do you mean short stories or novels? He was a merely adequete short story writer, his best acomplishments are novels. He also ground out half-formed novels at an insane rate, later with the 'help' of speed.

So he is very uneven and not helped by the fact that his cult populairty had lead to every single of of his novels, no matter their quality, having been republished. So his best novels are drowned in a sea of mediocrity.

His reputation would be better served if they just kept his best half dozen novels in print, of those I've read Man in High Castle easily remains the high point. Martian Time Slip is next.

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