I am not sure if you guys have seen the Anti Hillary Clinton Video but it's a clear take off of Apple's 1984 commercial and is quite interesting.
If you havent seen the video it's available for viewing on a blog which can be found here (http://www.thewaronlies.com/?p=6)
I am curious to find out what you think of this commercial
I think its well done. I'm not sure Apple is too thrilled about it, but who knows?
Been there, Done that , seen the multiple YouTube variations of it . Didn't get the T-shirt. (its a joke folks)
Its interesting the guy did it on a regular computer. Also that he is a Barack Obama supporter.
It was well-done ...I don't have those kinds of computer editing skills - yet.
Other than that, I'm not looking to talk about politics much. What little I will say is that I think BOTH parties are starting WAY too early on their campaigns.
- Ed C.
Quote from: KoltarOther than that, I'm not looking to talk about politics much. What little I will say is that I think BOTH parties are starting WAY too early on their campaigns.
Agreed - everyone's going to be burned out before the primaries even begin. Don't be surprised to see some strong showings from candidates that might not even be in the race yet, simply as a result of "voter fatigue".
If the American Voting public survives this magilla - this whole starting early thing is going to very ripe for a parody. Hell, someone may have started writing one already , we just don't know it yet.
For fuck's sake - wish the politicians would just let us catch our breath and relax a little between elections.
Half the time I wanna yell back at the TV screen "Yeah, yeah, you're running for an office ...do you mind if I get back to you in a year ? Got a normal life to live here. "
- Ed C.
Neat...but she was wearing an iPod...
I'm not going to tune into any of that until election year. People who are just making noise will fall out of the race, and there's plenty of people I won't have to pay attention to. >.>
I'm exceptionally liberal in many of my stances, but I've never been a fan of H. Clinton. Her stances on censorship do not please me.
I don't know or care about the message at this point. But the technical ability is interesting to watch.
Kinda like listening to a Weird Al song and appreciating the talent of writing the funny lyrics that fit someone elses music and, more recently, mimicing the production so closely.
Clinton, Guliani (sp?), Obama, McCain..jesus people it's March '07. Can we figure out what to do with what we have in front of us right now please?
I found it to be pretty funny, it looks like its going to be a nasty election year.
Man, I can't wait till the day after Hillary is sworn in as president of the U.S.A.
Seriously, maybe a lot of people will leave america in disgust, like Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Steve Jackson, Ed Charlton, etc.
Also, I think, being a woman, president Hillary will take the threat islam poses very seriously as she knows how women would be treated under an islamofascist regime, so she'll probably really stick it to those bastards.
Of course she could have help from her husband, who ran the best anti-terrorist administration in American history after the first WTC bombing and other acts of international terrorism.
Quote from: Dominus NoxMan, I can't wait till the day after Hillary is sworn in as president of the U.S.A.
Seriously, maybe a lot of people will leave america in disgust, like Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Steve Jackson, Ed Charlton, etc.
Also, I think, being a woman, president Hillary will take the threat islam poses very seriously as she knows how women would be treated under an islamofascist regime, so she'll probably really stick it to those bastards.
Of course she could have help from her husband, who ran the best anti-terrorist administration in American history after the first WTC bombing and other acts of international terrorism.
Nox, you're so cute when you rant.
This WAS the same Clinton Administration that thought it'd be a good idea to send a female Secretary of State to deal with misogynistic Arab states, right? That let BinLaden escape from Yemen when they could have handed him over on a platter - the same BinLaden responsible for the Khobar towers, the USS Cole, the embassy bombings in Africa, and so much more? That failed to follow up on eye-witness reports of hostile action against TWA 800? That bombed aspirin factories and empty tents and promised to have our troops home from Bosnia by Christmas - 1997? Man, with a sterling record like that, I can see why you long for the good old days.
Oh, and for the record, the video was made by an Obama supporter, so you need to take this up with Democrats.
Quote from: WerekoalaNox, you're so cute when you rant.
This WAS the same Clinton Administration that thought it'd be a good idea to send a female Secretary of State to deal with misogynistic Arab states, right? That let BinLaden escape from Yemen when they could have handed him over on a platter - the same BinLaden responsible for the Khobar towers, the USS Cole, the embassy bombings in Africa, and so much more? That failed to follow up on eye-witness reports of hostile action against TWA 800? That bombed aspirin factories and empty tents and promised to have our troops home from Bosnia by Christmas - 1997? Man, with a sterling record like that, I can see why you long for the good old days.
Oh, and for the record, the video was made by an Obama supporter, so you need to take this up with Democrats.
Hey, I think it was GREAT of the clinton administration to send a woman to deal with arab states. It was a way of saying that "Look, you people may be mysoganist barbarians living in the dark ages when it comes to social development, but we're not and we're NOT going to play your way and we'll send a woman to deal with you if we choose and there's nothing you can do about it."
Those celebrities that I got lumped together with in that one post?
I wouldn't mind having the kind of money that they all make.
Whether or not you like their politics - most of them have had best selling books and lucrative book deals. Except for Steve Jackson - he's mostly a Libertarian and his company has all the normal issues of a business.
Thanks for compliment!! Nice to be included with famous people - almost makes me blush.
- E.W.C.
Thanks for those quoteboxes folks!!
Quote from: WerekoalaI think its well done. I'm not sure Apple is too thrilled about it, but who knows?
Last I heard, Al Gore is on Apple's board so they might be happier than you think if Al is thinking about running again. ;)
Quote from: Dominus NoxMan, I can't wait till the day after Hillary is sworn in as president of the U.S.A.
I think you may have a vary long wait. I'm not even sure it's a given that she'll get the nomination, because she's taking hits from her base.
Quote from: Dominus NoxSeriously, maybe a lot of people will leave america in disgust, like Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Steve Jackson, Ed Charlton, etc.
Not any more likely than leftist leaving when Bush was elected and re-elected. In fact, a President Clinton would probably be the best thing that could happen for Coulter, Limbaugh, and Hanity since angry conservatives are more likely to buy their books and listen to their shows.
Quote from: Dominus NoxAlso, I think, being a woman, president Hillary will take the threat islam poses very seriously as she knows how women would be treated under an islamofascist regime, so she'll probably really stick it to those bastards.
Then I'd welcome her to state her intents in this regard during the primary and, if she gets nominated, the general election.
Quote from: Dominus NoxOf course she could have help from her husband, who ran the best anti-terrorist administration in American history after the first WTC bombing and other acts of international terrorism.
Is that intentionally meant to be funny?
Quote from: John MorrowI think you may have a vary long wait. I'm not even sure it's a given that she'll get the nomination, because she's taking hits from her base.
Not any more likely than leftist leaving when Bush was elected and re-elected. In fact, a President Clinton would probably be the best thing that could happen for Coulter, Limbaugh, and Hanity since angry conservatives are more likely to buy their books and listen to their shows.
Then I'd welcome her to state her intents in this regard during the primary and, if she gets nominated, the general election.
Is that intentionally meant to be funny?
Actually it's completely true. After the original attack on the WTC Clinton quietly launched the most intense and effective anti-international terorism campaign of any U.S. president.
Now the republicans lied about it and said that clinton did nothing about terrorism when in fact he focusd on it more than any president before him.
He even authorized the assassination of Bin Ladin, BTW. As to this lie that he could have had bin landin but turned him down, that was a lie based on one man telling american agenst he could negotiate the turnover of bin ladin, but the agents determined he was a scam artist and the government he claimed to be representing never had BL and never planned to turn him over, not had they really ever heard of their self-proclaimed representative to america.
Quote from: Dominus NoxActually it's completely true. After the original attack on the WTC Clinton quietly launched the most intense and effective anti-international terorism campaign of any U.S. president.
Now the republicans lied about it and said that clinton did nothing about terrorism when in fact he focusd on it more than any president before him.
He even authorized the assassination of Bin Ladin, BTW. As to this lie that he could have had bin landin but turned him down, that was a lie based on one man telling american agenst he could negotiate the turnover of bin ladin, but the agents determined he was a scam artist and the government he claimed to be representing never had BL and never planned to turn him over, not had they really ever heard of their self-proclaimed representative to america.
Cite? For any of it.
Quote from: WerekoalaCite? For any of it.
Clinton Administration Counter Terrorism Initiative
http://www.cdt.org/security/usapatriot/19950427clinton.html
Albright Defends Clinton's Record on Terrorism
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/3-23-2004-52066.asp
In her opening statement, Ms Albright admitted that the Clinton administration failed to track Bin Laden down, despite a "maddeningly frustrating" international hunt. But she said officials had made it clear to the security services that they had clearance to kill him if they found him.
Myth: Clinton Did Nothing To Fight Terrorism
http://www.makethemaccountable.com/myth/ClintonAndTerrorism.htm
She said: "The president was prepared to order military action to capture or kill bin Laden. If we had had the predictive intelligence we needed, we would have done so ... and I would have strongly supported that step."
Michael D'Innocenzo: Bill Clinton's Record on Terrorism
http://hnn.us/podcasts/entries/18475.html
I was trying to get Nox to defend his position, but thanks anyway. I'll look these over and pick them apart at my leisure. :)
Here are some choice snippets and my reactions - from the sources you provided:
"WASHINGTON The government of Sudan, using a back channel direct from its president to the Central Intelligence Agency in the United States, offered in the early spring of 1996 to arrest Osama bin Laden and place him in custody in Saudi Arabia, according to officials and former officials in all three countries.
The Clinton administration struggled to find a way to accept the offer in secret contacts that stretched from a meeting at hotel in Arlington, Virginia, on March 3, 1996, to a fax that closed the door on the effort 10 weeks later.
Unable to persuade the Saudis to accept Mr. bin Laden, and lacking a case to indict him in U.S. courts, the Clinton administration finally gave up on the capture…"
So Clinton could have had Bin Laden but couldn't come up with an excuse - in 1996. After the 1994 attack on the WTC. So Nox's "myth" that Sudan ever even offer to arrest him is shot down.
"Several days after the millennium celebrations, President Clinton's national security adviser, Sandy Berger, announced that in the weeks before the New Year, law enforcement had disrupted terrorist cells "in eight countries and attacks were almost certainly prevented." He didn't give details, but FRONTLINE has compiled the following list from intelligence sources and press reports…"
So the Clinton Administration provides no official details, yet we're supposed to take them at their word? Why not take the Bush Administration at their word when they claim successes in the War on Terror as well? Where are the media efforts to "unearth" "evidence" to defend the Bush record when he says terrorists have been disrupted world-wide?
"Beginning on Aug. 7, 1998, the day that al Qaeda destroyed the U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, Clinton directed a campaign of increasing scope and lethality against bin Laden's network that carried through his final days in office."
Beginning in 1998? He sure did leap into action right after WTC attack number one, eh? Only took over 4 years. And the Khobar Towers in 1996? Only 2 years after that! Such a crime fighter!
Here, I like this one particularly:
"The lines Clinton opted not to cross continued to define U.S. policy in his successor's first eight months. Clinton stopped short of using more decisive military instruments, including U.S. ground forces, and declined to expand the reach of the war to the Taliban regime that hosted bin Laden and his fighters after 1996.
Not until the catastrophe of Sept. 11 -- when terrorists used hijacked airliners to destroy the World Trade Center and damage the Pentagon -- did President Bush obliterate those boundaries…"
I'd suggest BIN LADEN "obliterated" those boundaries. I love an unbiased press. Thanks, WaPo! Oh, and what about his strong and steadfast committment to do whatever it took to get Bin Laden? Or any terrorists for that matter? Huh - sems it wasn't as strong as some would like to claim.
Sudanese aspirin factory? Chemical weapon plant? Let's see!:
"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The United States had been suspicious of the Shifa Pharmaceutical facility in Sudan for two years, a State Department official said Tuesday, after a December 1996 report showed heavy security around the plant…
"We had previously collected samples from other suspected sites in Sudan," the official said, "but only the sample from the Shifa facility tested positively for chemical weapons precursors. We know of no other factors in the environment that could result in a positive EMPTA signature."
Oh, PRECURSOR CHEMICALS! Good enough for Sudan to have a Chemical Weapons Factory when found in trace amounts in the soil. When found in 50 gallon drums in Iraq - means nothing!
More about the chance to capture Bin Laden:
"State Department and C.I.A. officials urged both Egypt and Saudi Arabia to accept him, according to former Clinton officials. "But both were afraid of the domestic reaction and refused," one recalled.
Critics of the administration's effort said this was an early missed opportunity to destroy Al Qaeda. Mr. Clinton himself would have had to lean hard on the Saudi and Egyptian governments. The White House believed no amount of pressure would change the outcome, and Mr. Clinton risked spending valuable capital on a losing cause. "We were not about to have the president make a call and be told no," one official explained."
Wow, thank god Clinton saved up all that political captal! Sure did help us down the road, eh?
A conman names Mansoor Ijaz claimed to be representing the sudan and claimed he could get us BL if we financed him a little. He was determined to be a fraud.
For more information, go read Al Franken's book "Lies and the lying liars who tell them: A fir and ba;lanced look at the right"
Franken cites valid facts, unlike neocons.
Quote from: Dominus NoxA conman names Mansoor Ijaz claimed to be representing the sudan and claimed he could get us BL if we financed him a little. He was determined to be a fraud.
For more information, go read Al Franken's book "Lies and the lying liars who tell them: A fir and ba;lanced look at the right"
Franken cites valid facts, unlike neocons.
Hahaha... HAHAHAHA.... oh, hhahaHAA... haha.
That's nice. I'm quoting YOUR side on the Sudan issue. WaPo is YOUR propaganda organ, not ours.
And what about the rest of it? C'mon, Nox, do it! DO IT! Oh, YES!
Be nice to wait till January 2008 for this political silliness.
Oh well...please continue ...I'll go get some popcorn made.
- Ed C.
Quote from: WerekoalaHahaha... HAHAHAHA.... oh, hhahaHAA... haha.
That's nice. I'm quoting YOUR side on the Sudan issue. WaPo is YOUR propaganda organ, not ours.
And what about the rest of it? C'mon, Nox, do it! DO IT! Oh, YES!
Dude, chill out.
Quote from: Thanatos02Dude, chill out.
Hey, talking to Nox tends to do wierd things to a person. :haw:
Quote from: WerekoalaHey, talking to Nox tends to do wierd things to a person. :haw:
I'm too much for weak minded people to handle.