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Ok, you guys have changed my mind Ahsoka is actually great.

Ahsoka (And Yoda in Empire) explicitly states that everyone has the Force. It's generated by all living things. It's that people have varying levels of talent in using it.

The Force IS everywhere, but NOWHERE in pre-Disney canon does it say that ANYONE can learn to use it, you have to be force sensitive.

Nowhere in the pre-Disney films (I do not consider EU to be canon) does it say you must be "force sensitive" which is a fan term.

"I felt a great disturbance in the Force...as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened."

"Remember, a Jedi's strength flows from the Force. But beware: Anger, fear, aggression – the Dark Side, are they."

"Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well, you should not. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship."

I'll ask again, how can someone who doesn't feel the force (a force sensitive if you will) be a Jedi.

Ask yourself.

Luke didn't "feel the force", until Obi Wan started training him. How did Luke learn to be a Jedi if he didn't "feel the force"?

I'll even give you a hint...

Counterpoint:

Luke felt the force but not all the time or at will and couldn't use it until he was trained.

Evidence?

QuoteElse, then Obiwan AND Yoda are idiots for not just taking ANY child and training him/her to become a Jedi instead of putting all their hopes into the Skywalkers.

The Skywalkers were plainly said to be "strong in the Force". (Obi wan describing Luke's father to him) Qui Gonn believed Anakin was the "Chosen one", and insisted on training him. They had innate talent, and that's why they were chosen for training.

QuoteWhich should tell you (if you weren't so intent on excusing everything in Ahsoka because of the memberberries)

And there you go. You want to hate Ahsoka so bad that you're willing to make shit up that's not there.

His piloting skills and being able to shoot rats on the cannion at very far distances.

Nope, I don't want to hate anything, I just don't think the memberberries substitute good story or excuse breaking canon.

Luke being able to do stuff anyone can do without special powers is proof positive that "force sensitivity" was always part of canon since the OG trilogy (the only one that counts).

Meanwhile the only thing mentioned in the OG trilogy that could even remotely be interpreted as something akin to Force sensitivity was the notion that "The Force is strong in (some people)". Which implies that the Force is present in everyone (i.e. everyone has access to it), it's just that some people are "stronger in it" (or it's presence is stronger within them). Same way everyone can jump, run, climb or play sports games, unless they're disabled. It's just that not everyone is cut out to be a pro athletes.

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Quote from: GeekyBugle on September 16, 2023, 02:00:20 PM
Ok, you guys have changed my mind Ahsoka is actually great.

Ahsoka (And Yoda in Empire) explicitly states that everyone has the Force. It's generated by all living things. It's that people have varying levels of talent in using it.

The Force IS everywhere, but NOWHERE in pre-Disney canon does it say that ANYONE can learn to use it, you have to be force sensitive.

Nowhere in the pre-Disney films (I do not consider EU to be canon) does it say you must be "force sensitive" which is a fan term.

"I felt a great disturbance in the Force...as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened."

"Remember, a Jedi's strength flows from the Force. But beware: Anger, fear, aggression – the Dark Side, are they."

"Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And well, you should not. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the ship."

I'll ask again, how can someone who doesn't feel the force (a force sensitive if you will) be a Jedi.

Ask yourself.

Luke didn't "feel the force", until Obi Wan started training him. How did Luke learn to be a Jedi if he didn't "feel the force"?

I'll even give you a hint...

Counterpoint:

Luke felt the force but not all the time or at will and couldn't use it until he was trained.

Evidence?

QuoteElse, then Obiwan AND Yoda are idiots for not just taking ANY child and training him/her to become a Jedi instead of putting all their hopes into the Skywalkers.

The Skywalkers were plainly said to be "strong in the Force". (Obi wan describing Luke's father to him) Qui Gonn believed Anakin was the "Chosen one", and insisted on training him. They had innate talent, and that's why they were chosen for training.

QuoteWhich should tell you (if you weren't so intent on excusing everything in Ahsoka because of the memberberries)

And there you go. You want to hate Ahsoka so bad that you're willing to make shit up that's not there.

His piloting skills and being able to shoot rats on the cannion at very far distances.

Which he used as an example that hitting the exhaust port on the Death Star should be possible for a bunch of Rebel pilots. Nothing to indicate any kind of "Force Sensitivity" there.

QuoteNope, I don't want to hate anything, I just don't think the memberberries substitute good story or excuse breaking canon.

You have yet to show that it breaks canon. Whether it's good storytelling seems to be up for debate.

Ahsoka Episode 6 has dropped. The plot has advanced significantly. It is satisfying, but it is not yet complete.

Quote from: Lurkndog on September 19, 2023, 09:55:25 PM
Ahsoka Episode 6 has dropped. The plot has advanced significantly. It is satisfying, but it is not yet complete.

Not loading for me. Dunno what the heck it is. It seems to get better after a few days, which makes me suspect it's server load.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on September 21, 2023, 03:32:06 AM

Not loading for me. Dunno what the heck it is. It seems to get better after a few days, which makes me suspect it's server load.

If it was server load, everyone should be having that problem.

I have seen the feed hiccup at 9 on Tuesday, and had to reload to get through the episode, but it always reloaded right away.

Have you tried clearing out your browser cache?

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Quote from: Ratman_tf on September 21, 2023, 03:32:06 AM

Not loading for me. Dunno what the heck it is. It seems to get better after a few days, which makes me suspect it's server load.

If it was server load, everyone should be having that problem.

I have seen the feed hiccup at 9 on Tuesday, and had to reload to get through the episode, but it always reloaded right away.

Have you tried clearing out your browser cache?

One of the first things I tried.
It loads fine for my brother on our "smart" tv hooked up to the internet. I've just resigned myself to not watching it right when it drops, because the problem usually goes away after a few days.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on September 21, 2023, 03:32:06 AM
Not loading for me. Dunno what the heck it is. It seems to get better after a few days, which makes me suspect it's server load.

do you want the "ahoy, matey!" file? you paid for their fucking service, so you have the right to access the stuff - intellectual <cough> property <cough> be damned.

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Quote from: Ratman_tf on September 21, 2023, 03:32:06 AM
Not loading for me. Dunno what the heck it is. It seems to get better after a few days, which makes me suspect it's server load.

do you want the "ahoy, matey!" file? you paid for their fucking service, so you have the right to access the stuff - intellectual <cough> property <cough> be damned.

Technically, my brother paid for it. I'm freeloading off his account. 
I got it to load last night. I'm starting to think there's a way into the episode that works on my rig, and others don't. Like, clicking on the eppy button from X menu instead of Y.

Anyway.

Liked this episode. I'm not a big fan of Thrawn. I only know of him second hand. I never liked EU stuff, and so mostly avoid it. But from what I've read, he sounds like a tryhard "Look at my villian, isn't he so cool?" type.

He was aight in this episode. More of a threat that the Remnant Empire will rally around him, than the character himself. Which is a good angle.
The rest was ok. A vehicle for getting Ezra back. Really a lot of this series is about mood and not plot. And that's fine. Filoni is great at setting the Star Wars mood. Sabine going to find Ezra, fighting wasteland bandits and befrending the hermit crab alien people. Very Star-Warsy.

I am super late with this, sorry, I was away from home this weekend.

Spoilers on, obviously.

I loved that Huyang's story began with "A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away..."

Thrawn does not disappoint, though he's a little bit more Desslock of Gamelon than I remember from Rebels.

I had expected Thrawn to have established a new empire, but it seems he has merely held on to his forces, some of which have crumbled between his fingers.  I wonder what the back story is.

Thrawn's stormtroopers have a cool look, reminiscent of the stray troopers in The Mandalorian. There is online speculation that they are undead or something, but I question that. For one thing, who are they fighting that would have gotten thousands of troopers killed? It's more likely just lots of wear and tear, in keeping with the condition of their Star Destroyer. They have given all of Peridia a very grimy, grim motif.

Enoch is pretty cool looking.

"What kind of ride you got around here?" is a classic Sabine line.

At least Ezra remains at large, even if he doesn't seem to have accomplished much apart from surviving and making some new friends. I bet he's scouted out the place pretty extensively, though. Can't wait to see what tricks he has up his sleeves. What has he built?

I thought I had spotted Loth-Wolves on Peridian at 11:56, but I think now they were just Howlers.

Sabine's Howler is pretty great, though. I love how it came creeping back to her for forgiveness. More than just a Warg, it has a personality.

Only two more episodes left. And clearly, a rematch between Ahsoka and Baylan Skoll will be a big chunk of that. Probably a two part finale, and I wonder how much closure we'll get.

Also, Claudia Black from Farscape and Stargate SG-1 is one of the Witch-Queens.

Episode 7 has dropped, and left me somewhat disappointed.

Anyone else think Thrawn's appearance resembles Elon Musk in blueface?

Quote from: Lurkndog on September 26, 2023, 10:38:52 PM
Episode 7 has dropped, and left me somewhat disappointed.

Predictive obituary... Disney (again) fails to stick the landing.

I have no proof of this; just a feeling.

Live action One Piece remains the high point of the year(s) for streaming television.

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I liked E7. I really enjoyed the action stuff, especially when lightsabers come out. I also like the bad guys in this series. They are cool-headed, thoughtful, and calculating. I like how Thrawn refuses to be bothered by setbacks.

I love the aesthetic of the disrepair of the Thrawn forces. And the "special" uniform of the captain (like, why is he not wearing an imperial uniform?). Also, were there ANY other officers around?

I would LOVE it if these troopers were all droid-biological-alchemical Sith constructs powered by secrets given to Thrawn by the Emperor. However, considering how fast they go down, I don't believe that to be true. Although a couple DID take one hit and kept fighting before going down...

I'm also glad to see Hayden getting some airplay. I don't feel like he got a fair shake. I liked his portrayal of Anakin. It's good to see a different side of Anakin when he was in his prime.

Note: I have not seen any of the cartoons. Although I will likely remedy that at some point. :-)