I didn't say it was the majority, I said I was surprised to see anyone advocate it.

Quote from: Voros;997682I didn't say it was the majority, I said I was surprised to see anyone advocate it.

Me too! It would be something that I'd never do... Unless the PC specifically wanted me to wack his character so he could start back with a new one (or something like that).

Quote from: Voros;997682I didn't say it was the majority, I said I was surprised to see anyone advocate it.

It's the internet. Someone is going to be in favor of anything. Literally anything.

Quote from: Bren;997713It's the internet. Someone is going to be in favor of anything. Literally anything.

And now there's porn about it.

I'd negotiate something with the player.  The PC can be alive, but not without some kind of consequence.  Something bad happened in the escape from the jungle which can provide further plothooks.  Maybe the PC got bitten by a Were-jaguar and is now a Lycanthrope and needs to find a cure.  Or the PC survived but lost his faith due to some terrible things he saw and is now a fighter.  Or maybe they're just horribly scarred from a fight they barely got through.  I'd let the player ultimately decide but it would have to be something serious enough that survival doesn't feel like a cop-out.

Never negotiate with player! Do you see refs on the sidelines asking the ballplayer whether he thinks it was a foul?

Quote from: Dumarest;997944Never negotiate with player! Do you see refs on the sidelines asking the ballplayer whether he thinks it was a foul?

Sometime back in the last century I recall playing pickup basketball and football and people did in fact ask other players if something was or was not a foul.

Quote from: Dumarest;997944Never negotiate with player! Do you see refs on the sidelines asking the ballplayer whether he thinks it was a foul?

But you need the player to buy-in to whatever you're doing. If you get their thoughts and they're OK with it, it gives you extra freedom to act.

Quote from: Bren;997946Sometime back in the last century I recall playing pickup basketball and football and people did in fact ask other players if something was or was not a foul.

People, not refs. Everyone knows refs aren't people.

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic;997948But you need the player to buy-in to whatever you're doing. If you get their thoughts and they're OK with it, it gives you extra freedom to act.

It's cool if the player is okay with it, but the ref doesn't need their agreement is all I'm saying. Besides, the best solution is still what I wrote way back on page one.

Exactly.  It's just basic people handling skills.

DM: Ok.  I'll say you're PC survived but his face now is horribly scarred from being mauled by a Jaguar.  Small children scream and run away when they see him coming.
Player: What?  Fuck you!

Or

DM: DM: Ok. I'll say you're PC survived but the other character's went through hell and really your character shouldn't have survived.  There's needs to be some consequence to show how tough it was.  How do you feel about your character being horribly scarred after a fight with a Jaguar?
Player:  Cool.  That makes him more badass.
DM: There's be some penalties in social situations.
Player: That's fine.  Hey, does that mean mean I'll get a bonus to intimidate people.
DM: Sure, seems logical.

What a strange analogy!

Exactly, the best way to screw over the PC is to get the player to agree to it.  Or better yet come up with it.

Quote from: TJS;997985Exactly, the best way to screw over the PC is to get the player to agree to it.  Or better yet come up with it.

Okay, that I will agree to. Well done. Truly, players are the best at screwing their PCs.

"I will not kill your character, I will sit here and laugh hysterically as your own stupidity kills your character."