Quote from: Toadmaster;982188Harry Potter puts them both to shame if we just look at the bottom line.

Comparing the six middle earth films with the first six HP films, we have...

Sorcerer's Stone: $974,755,371    
Chamber of Secrets: $878,979,634
Prisoner of Azkaban: $796,688,549    
Goblet of Fire: $896,911,078    
Order of Phoenix: $939,885,929    
Half Blood Prince: $934,416,487    

TOTAL: 5,421,637,048

Fellowship of the Ring: $871,530,324    
Two Towers: $926,047,111    
Return of the King:  $1,119,929,521    
An Unexpected Journey: $1,021,103,568
Desolation of Smaug: $958,366,855    
Battle of the Five Armies: $956,019,788    

TOTAL: 5,852,997,167

Even if we were to somehow adjust for differences due to inflation (given that the Hobbit films were released after Half Blood Prince), the bottom line for each series would be virtually equal.

Anyways, how 'bout that Conan RPG? Nice looking book.

Quote from: vivsavage;982225Comparing the six middle earth films with the first six HP films, we have...

Sorcerer's Stone: $974,755,371    
Chamber of Secrets: $878,979,634
Prisoner of Azkaban: $796,688,549    
Goblet of Fire: $896,911,078    
Order of Phoenix: $939,885,929    
Half Blood Prince: $934,416,487    

TOTAL: 5,421,637,048

Fellowship of the Ring: $871,530,324    
Two Towers: $926,047,111    
Return of the King:  $1,119,929,521    
An Unexpected Journey: $1,021,103,568
Desolation of Smaug: $958,366,855    
Battle of the Five Armies: $956,019,788    

TOTAL: 5,852,997,167

Even if we were to somehow adjust for differences due to inflation (given that the Hobbit films were released after Half Blood Prince), the bottom line for each series would be virtually equal.

Anyways, how 'bout that Conan RPG? Nice looking book.

But we are comparing Tolkien and Howard, no one else. Why not add Star Wars and Pokemon if you just want to add irrelevant IPs?

Quote from: Dumarest;982231But we are comparing Tolkien and Howard, no one else. Why not add Star Wars and Pokemon if you just want to add irrelevant IPs?

Or we can try and keep the thread on point and discuss the RPG. A movie discussion probably belongs down in media

Nothing wrong with Mongoose Conan, it's a great version of the D20 System, and a great example of how to adjust the system to get what you want out of it.  We had a lot of fun with it, but for us, a pure skill system game just seemed to work better.  I have about half the line in hardcopy and the whole line in pdf from the 2d20 Kickstarter (that's what made the all-in pdf level a no-brainer for me) and use it all the time.  If my players voted to go back to it, I wouldn't like it as much, but I'd still like it.

I think D20 Conan was a great success for Mongoose, but when the D20 system lost popularity as a concept and the 2nd Edition book came out being a bit too large and with questionable printing quality it lost support. Mongoose lost the license when they proposed doing a RuneQuest version of the game - which I am assuming that the IP holders may have felt it was worth more than the RQ market share.

Quote from: TrippyHippy;982372I think D20 Conan was a great success for Mongoose, but when the D20 system lost popularity as a concept and the 2nd Edition book came out being a bit too large and with questionable printing quality it lost support. Mongoose lost the license when they proposed doing a RuneQuest version of the game - which I am assuming that the IP holders may have felt it was worth more than the RQ market share.

The losing of the license was all about the movie.  They thought the license would be worth more after the movie release.  The problem is they forgot to include in the movie license that it couldn't be a piece of shit.

Quote from: CRKrueger;982379The losing of the license was all about the movie.  They thought the license would be worth more after the movie release.  The problem is they forgot to include in the movie license that it couldn't be a piece of shit.

:p

Haven't seen it...even the commercials and ads looked like crap.

Still waiting for a good Conan movie...although I will admit Conan the Destroyer was a pretty good D&D movie.

Quote from: HorusArisen;982232Or we can try and keep the thread on point and discuss the RPG. A movie discussion probably belongs down in media

I merely responded to an idiotic assertion earlier that Howard has been more influential than Tolkien. Sadly, that is demonstrably untrue.

P.S. Get off the high horse, I've seen your tangential remarks plenty of times

Quote from: Dumarest;982389I merely responded to an idiotic assertion earlier that Howard has been more influential than Tolkien. Sadly, that is demonstrably untrue.

P.S. Get off the high horse, I've seen your tangential remarks plenty of times

lol that's not unfair

One thing that no one seems to understands about Sword and Sorcery is that the stakes are always personal.  Always.  Even if there's a world level threat, it's never that prominent, it's still about the protagonist.  A lot of games and definitely all the movies to date don't get.

Quote from: CRKrueger;982379The losing of the license was all about the movie.  They thought the license would be worth more after the movie release.  The problem is they forgot to include in the movie license that it couldn't be a piece of shit.

That's true. I recall that, and the movie was a piece of shit! I never understand why big corporations invest so much in movies, but never check to see if the script is any good. Or the direction. Or the casting. Still, well worth cancelling a game line for!

The funny thing is that the Dredd movie possibly devalued the Judge Dredd IP because it flopped, even though it was a pretty good movie. Mongoose dropped the JD licence this year to concentrate on other things (Traveller, mainly) - although it has been picked up by ENWorld since.

Quote from: TrippyHippy;982428That's true. I recall that, and the movie was a piece of shit! I never understand why big corporations invest so much in movies, but never check to see if the script is any good. Or the direction. Or the casting. Still, well worth cancelling a game line for!

The funny thing is that the Dredd movie possibly devalued the Judge Dredd IP because it flopped, even though it was a pretty good movie. Mongoose dropped the JD licence this year to concentrate on other things (Traveller, mainly) - although it has been picked up by ENWorld since.

It flopped because of the Stallone vehicle.  It flopped because it's a British satire that had little representation across 'the pond'.  That's the reason Dredd failed.

Conan failed because no one knows what a Sword and Sorcery adventure is all about.  Conan would be better served as an episodic series of 1 hour unrelated adventures on HBO or Netflix or whatever streaming service is hot right now.  Something with a decent budget but without the constant threat of world ending doom.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;982459It flopped because of the Stallone vehicle.  It flopped because it's a British satire that had little representation across 'the pond'.  That's the reason Dredd failed.

Hold on, which movie are we talking about? The Stallone Judge Dredd movie (which stunk to high heavens) or the Dredd movie which was awesome, but so violent it had to get an R rating and thus cut out the core 16 year old market from their viewing audience?

Quote from: Christopher Brady;982415One thing that no one seems to understands about Sword and Sorcery is that the stakes are always personal.  Always.  Even if there's a world level threat, it's never that prominent, it's still about the protagonist.  A lot of games and definitely all the movies to date don't get.

  I thought the first Conan movie portrayed that fairly well.  Sure Thulsa might eventually be a threat on the world scale, but when Conan is cutting his cult leader career short, he is still not a nation level threat (pretty sure he was just an issue for the local lord/"king" who if I remember right was king of a city state). Conan could give a shit less, he was there to kill the guy who killed his parents, and then his woman.  Period.   Later the scale of the issues grew to global issues.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;982459It flopped because of the Stallone vehicle.  It flopped because it's a British satire that had little representation across 'the pond'.  That's the reason Dredd failed.

Conan failed because no one knows what a Sword and Sorcery adventure is all about.  Conan would be better served as an episodic series of 1 hour unrelated adventures on HBO or Netflix or whatever streaming service is hot right now.  Something with a decent budget but without the constant threat of world ending doom.

  I agree with this.  I thought Oliver Stone's idea of how to handle Conan was closer to the feel.