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Anyone playing the Black Hack?

Started by ArrozConLeche, May 25, 2017, 02:34:11 PM

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Voros

#195
July 24, 2017, 08:56:57 PM
You don't make opponent rolls in DW or the Black Hack. In TBH you roll to see if you avoid your opponents attack.

Dumarest

#196
July 24, 2017, 10:00:18 PM
Not a fan of fudging; it just makes me wonder why you are using dice if you want to select a result? The only time I roll dice behind a screen is for things where the players or PCs wouldn't know the outcome, like "Did that guard notice me?" and "Did she believe my lie about the overheated overdrive?"

Simlasa

#197
July 25, 2017, 01:24:12 AM
Quote from: Voros;977942You don't make opponent rolls in DW or the Black Hack. In TBH you roll to see if you avoid your opponents attack.
What about in PBTA games? I think I sometimes mix up DW and PBTA.

Itachi

#198
July 25, 2017, 08:46:06 AM
In other PbtA games players only roll for actions pertaining to their characters.

Eg:
Sigrid the shieldmainden thrust her spear at you. What do you do?
I raise my shield and wait for an opening to close in stab her with my saex.
Ok, roll [relevant stat].
I rolled an 8. That's "success with a cost.. or a tough choice", right?
Yep, here is your tough choice: you see a chance to close in and stab her, but not without receiving a graze from the spear. What do you do?
I take the chance.
Ok, take 2 damage from the spear graze. You stab her in the ribs for 3 damage. She backs off and you see fear in her face. What do you do?

RPGPundit

#199
July 28, 2017, 07:18:03 AM
Quote from: Baulderstone;977815You argue that this game somehow stops the GM from altering the rules and this is a problem. I point out the the designer actively encourages the GM to mess with the rules. You are now arguing that if the GM changes a rule, he is no longer playing the same game and this is a problem. Your position is completely incoherent.

No, I'm saying there's a threshold where you have to change so much that you might as well be playing a totally different game. If you can't understand that it's a matter of degrees, that's your problem.


QuoteI find fudging and wanting strict immersion are incompatible. In a group with fudging, the players usually figure it out at some point.

You shouldn't pay much attention to Justin. He is wrong about everything. For a start, he assumes that what I'm talking about is fudging to enforce some kind of story.

QuoteI know I often do. That's always the complete death of any immersion for me. I'm fine with "rulings not rules" as a GM style, but when a GM rules that dice are being used, I expect the dice to decide the matter. If the dice are simply being used as a prop, my belief in the whole system of the game evaporates. It's all just a narrative the GM is making up.

There's many occasions where the GM wants the dice to decide, but not the way the rules say they would. He has the right to do so. The GM has the right to change the rules at any time. There's also times when he doesn't want the dice to decide but precisely to maintain immersion it's better to not let the players in on that fact.
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#200
July 28, 2017, 11:58:11 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit;979001You shouldn't pay much attention to Justin. He is wrong about everything. For a start, he assumes that what I'm talking about is fudging to enforce some kind of story.

In an effort to deal with his personal inadequacy, Pundie lies about what people said and hopes no one will notice.

Must be a day ending in y.

QuoteThere's many occasions where the GM wants the dice to decide, but not the way the rules say they would. He has the right to do so. The GM has the right to change the rules at any time. There's also times when he doesn't want the dice to decide but precisely to maintain immersion it's better to not let the players in on that fact.

Pundie still can't figure out how to fudge the results of a die roll when the players are rolling the dice. Everyone else in the thread remains baffled by his incompetence. Film at 11.
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Simlasa

#201
July 28, 2017, 01:16:16 PM
Quote from: Itachi;978057In other PbtA games players only roll for actions pertaining to their characters.
Oh, OK... then I'd misunderstood what people were telling me. Not that your example makes me want to play... I think I'd have other issues besides who rolls the dice.
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