Quote from: David ROkay folks, please don't die of shock, but I think the Pundit should make JimBob a mod. I mean someone needs to stir shit occasionally, bring things up that we may have missed. I think he's the perfect candidate*.

*He's pissed off most folks on this site, even those who agree with him - yeah JimBob I haven't forgotten the "Dear Poster X, I don't mean to offend you but I think...Love JimBob" post you made in reference to my posting style in one of this sites earlier threads .

Regards,
David R

Make the guy that thinks Free Speech is only useful itf you're talking about the things you want to hear an rpgsite mod? It's so paradoxical it just might work. NOT!

Quote from: SeanchaiMaybe I missed something—I am new here—but I thought the state of moderation here was that you could expect to hear things and opinions you didn't like, and that you were expected to be a Big Boy about such statements. No one, no one's ideas, no one's statements, et al., are protected or given more weight than they earn.

For example, in this very thread, the owner/operator of the board has been told to "have a fucking cookie," to "get off his dick, man," and called an "asshole," "a dribbling little dick," and a "cocksmock."

In line with the above, Pundit said some things. Cessna said some things. Cessna decided to leave. Why is Cessna and Cessna's participation suddenly more important than everyone else's? Why is it more important than the letter and spirit of the law here?

If you don't like the fact that Cessna is any more protected than all the other posters, do what he did and leave.

I don't know if you've noticed this, but we're living up to the fullest expectations of this site's philosophies when we tell Pundit (who acted like a cocksmock) that he was acting like a cocksmock. The spirit and the letter of the law here demand that we do so. That you don't like the guy doesn't change the fact that Pundit was a putz and got called on it. If you don't like it, you too know where the door is.

Quote from: SeanchaiIf you don't like the fact that Cessna is any more protected than all the other posters, do what he did and leave.Seanchai

I can't disagree with your analysis but I think the difference is the impression that Cessna was being targeted not for anything he said but just so Pundit and Sett could score a rhetorical point by saying that Cessna has finally seen the light about RPGnet.  No one is saying that Cessna should be protected or have special status but running off experienced gamers who could contribute to the board over something like that doesn't help the rep of the site or recruit others to contribute.

Part of what brought me here was that some posters defended RPGsite in a thread on TBP despite going against a majority who were trashing Pundit, other posters, and the board.  Cessna himself contributed to that thread and admitted he posted here for good no-rules game discussions.  That thread made me curious enough to lurk and then join RPGsite.  If the goal is to get more posters, unleashing the attack dogs like this counterproductive.

I, for one, really hope Cessna was just bowing out of the thread. Mostly because every new poster is cool with me until they sound like Nox on a good day. If they sound like nox on a bad day... well that can be pretty funny in ways that ain't exactly politically correct... like laughing at some poor bastard born with no legs, or something.

What the fuck was I saying? Oh, yeah. First it's chickenshit to jump off the site the moment some asshole starts saying you meant something you didn't. hell, I'm sure you can do that at tBP, moderation and all.  

So, in order: Cessna stays on site- good

Pundit acts like an asshole- agreed and bad

tBP love/hate- Stopped caring about six months ago, but it occasionally makes for a 'larf' or whatever.

my reason for posting on this thread - I'm an attention whore, I am THE internet attention whore, I even have a certificate and everything.  That's all, nothing else. Carry one with your bland and meaningless little lives until the next time I have to take a mental dump.

will lightning come out of that dump?

Quote from: GrimjackI can't disagree with your analysis but I think the difference is the impression that Cessna was being targeted not for anything he said but just so Pundit and Sett could score a rhetorical point by saying that Cessna has finally seen the light about RPGnet.

So people are protected from being targeted unfairly? Who gets to determine what's unfair? Wouldn't that be the owner/operator?

Quote from: GrimjackNo one is saying that Cessna should be protected or have special status but running off experienced gamers who could contribute to the board over something like that doesn't help the rep of the site or recruit others to contribute.

But that was the case yesterday. And the day before. And last month. And the month before. Why is this is a problem today? I mean, a free for all is bound to turn off some people. (And attract others.)

Quote from: GrimjackIf the goal is to get more posters, unleashing the attack dogs like this counterproductive.

I don't know that it is the goal.

Seanchai

Seanchai is asking the very question that struck me. I get the sense that this is some strange attraction to Cessna.

He got treated like everyone else who disagrees with Pundit - ridiculed, often without cause, and shat upon. So he huffs off - his right, no doubt. But why all the fuss?

Oh yeah, because some of you think he's very interesting. He might be.  He might be the most brilliant fucking poster in the history of Internet forums on RPG's.  But if he's unable to handle the shit most of the rest of us have to put up with, we're suppose to..what...walk on eggshells around him? He's useless if he can't take the sometimes harsh and often unsubstantiated attacks that take place here.

If that's the case, who gets to decide who's on the "Treat with Kid Gloves" list? What about us regular joes just trying to get along?

And as for the "why TheRPGSite" thread.  Did it ever occur to you that the "I want to talk about RPG's" and "I want to get away from Forgery" are not mutually exclusive things? For me, it seemed the only way to talk about RPG's was to find a place not dominated by a single theory or full of cliques.  That might not be requirement for someone with such refined, sensible, rational thoughts as JimBob, but some of us without that kind of social perfection and intellectual prowess...

Quote from: James J Skachbut some of us without that kind of social perfection and intellectual prowess...

Why did you have to make this about me?

Hey, guys -- look at what I found!

Quote from: GunslingerWhy did you have to make this about me?

I'm so stooopid I don't even knoe who I is ensultin'

Quote from: Dr Rotwang!Hey, guys -- look at what I found!

Hey!  I threatened to kidnap you in a thread in that very forum...so back off 80's boy...

Quote from: Dr Rotwang!Hey, guys -- look at what I found!

I love you, Doc!

Sincerely,

clash

Quote from: James McMurrayMake the guy that thinks Free Speech is only useful itf you're talking about the things you want to hear an rpgsite mod? It's so paradoxical it just might work. NOT!

James, as we are repeatedly told, mods here don't have any power to ban or close threads. So I don't think we have anything to worry about if JimBob becomes a mod*. I was thinking about the time Curt was made a mod on tBP. The reason given was that "he cared about the site". The Pundit stated that if this was the reason, he too should have been made a mod. I took this to mean that even though his ideas for tBP did not mesh with popular sentiment, he also cared about the direction tBP was heading.

Now, I think (know?) the principle of freedom of speech is pretty much set in stone here. JimBob's role would be to provoke discussions. He would act as the devil's advocate, much like the role the Pundit describes in one of his numerous rants against tBP.

Like I said, sanctioned shit stirring. I mean all the other mods are more or less in tune with what this site is supposed to be. JimBob's role as a mod could be to challenge conventional thought. He's outnumbered and surely outgunned, but I think he could play a useful role in provoking discussion about board policies.

*Off course JimBob may not want this role. He's probably going to tell me to go fuck myself "you silly drongo cocksmock"...but his temperament depends on whether he's had his quota of vegimite sandwiches....I kid, I kid.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: SeanchaiBut that doesn't address my point of why people who got no respect from him should turn around give it him. Just because he's no longer a moderator? Or because he's posting here? Really?

All persons deserve respect, though some may lose that right; those who lose your respect should only be the unreasonable, and the cruel. Someone like Dominus Nox is not reasonable, and he is essentialy cruel, as all blatant racists are. Cessna is neither of these things, except in the normal human day-to-day-imperfection sort of way. What these people are like in person I cannot say; I speak only of how they present themselves.

Cessna is neither unreasonable, nor malicious, and so deserves respect.

Quote from: SeanchaiAre you referring to something that happened after I was banned? You're not suggesting I was banned because of something I hadn't done, are you? (Not that it would be out of character for the moderation at TBP.)

I've no idea whatsoever why you were banned, nor do I care. I say only that after being banned, you hung around in a pretty lame-arsed way. It's now years later - it's way past time to let it go. Let it go.

Quote from: SeanchaiNo, you didn't. You bring up how you got banned constantly.

I mention it to illustrate some other point, not to justify hostility against some harmless person online.

Quote from: SeanchaiIn line with the above, Pundit said some things. Cessna said some things. Cessna decided to leave. Why is Cessna and Cessna's participation suddenly more important than everyone else's? Why is it more important than the letter and spirit of the law here?

If Cessna had said something stupid and wrong to RPGPundit, and RPGPundit had said he'd leave and not come back, then you'd find that we'd be criticising Cessna, and telling him to sort his shit out.

There have been a couple of posters who came along to therpgsite, posted a few times, got offended by something someone said, and then left. In general, the response has been to express regret that they were leaving, and for people to tell off whoever offended them - if the perception is that the offence was simply personal, rather than arguing over whether d20 suxxorz or whatever.

It's pretty consistent, I think. I assure you that Cessna has not been given any special consideration here. RPGPundit is probably a bit picked on, but speaking from experience, if you post a lot and have strong opinions, then you'll be a target. You either suck it up and take it, or you post less and soften your opinions.

Quote from: SpikeI, for one, really hope Cessna was just bowing out of the thread.

I think he might take a rest from all online rpg discussion for a while. If I'm right that he saw moderating rpg.net as an obligation, well when a hobby becomes an obligation, the hobby becomes "work" in the "work is a four-letter word" sense... and he had time to be a mod, or game, but not both... And if I'm right he's been feeling burned-out and pissed-off for a while... Well, the guy just needs a rest from it for a bit.

Quote from: David RLike I said, sanctioned shit stirring. I mean all the other mods are more or less in tune with what this site is supposed to be. JimBob's role as a mod could be to challenge conventional thought. He's outnumbered and surely outgunned, but I think he could play a useful role in provoking discussion about board policies.

Since mods have no particular power of banning, etc, adding that lame-arsed "this machine kills fascists" nonsense under my name would not add or subtract anything from that role. I can challenge or support "conventional thought", whatever that is, without the mod role, and being a mod wouldn't actually add anything to that.

Quote from: SeanchaiFor example, in this very thread, the owner/operator of the board has been told to "have a fucking cookie," to "get off his dick, man," and called an "asshole," "a dribbling little dick," and a "cocksmock."

To be fair, I actually told Abyssal Maw to "get off his [Pundit's] dick".

Oh boy. You all need some therapy.

This is not a place for your emotional safety, where it is the responsibility of the owner to provide space to cuddle everyone you have a man-crush on.

Really, if somebody let´s him be mortally offended, then it´s by his own choice.

Get out of your care bear mode, there´s other forae for your emotional safety and imaginary online friends.

Tough luck for you who had longed to sycophantify around someone you "admire" for some strange reasons.

Yuck.