Okay all of this is getting really creepy. tBP hate was kinda of funny, but after this and Pundit's really, really weird -it reeks of something, I'm not quite sure of what - blog post about his encounter with Levi, this shit ain't bringing in the laughs anymore.

One the great things...check that, the best thing about this site, is that folks who come here come because of the "game" talk. They don't come here as a political act. I know some folks really want to believe that this is a haven for free speech and all, and yes most folks here like the fact that this board is not moderated, but this has more to do with the lack of moderation on the "games" forum.

Cessna made some bad decisions. He made some good ones. The trouble is most folks can't seem to agree which ones fall where. But so what. This was supposed to be the site where all are welcomed. Not where those of power or influence from tBP would be hassled if they ever decided to post here.

Honestly, I'd love to read what an uncensored SteveD would post. I really think that Cessna would have made a good contributer to the Help section of this forum.

Cessna, you made the right decision. I hope you change your mind, but honestly if you're going to have to put up with some folks distorting what you say and fuckers who keep trying to settle old scores, you're better off some place else.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: JimBobOzBollocks. Nothing's inevitable.

Shrug. I disagree. And not because of this site or Pundit, per se.

Quote from: JimBobOzBut he's a person - not just some internet name - and he and his efforts at rpg.net are well worthy of respect.

Personally, I'd be happy to show him all the respect he showed me. I'm a person, too, not just an Internet name, and I, too, deserve consideration as a gamer.

So unless you believe that the respect you're talking about is a one-way street and those that Cessna belittled and mocked while protected by his status as a moderator should now suddenly defer to him, he's got all respect he's earned...

Quote from: JimBobOzAs an rpg.net mod and admin, he has made wrong decisions - but he is a reasonable and sensible person...

That's not been my experience with him. Or, not since he became a moderator. I saw a hot-head who bought into his role as an authority figure to the degree where he felt could pass out special punishments a la Solomon.

Seanchai

Quote from: David ROne the great things...check that, the best thing about this site, is that folks who come here come because of the "game" talk. They don't come here as a political act.

That was the thing that struck me about the "why did you join therpgsite?" thread. I was the only one who just said, "I came to talk about roleplaying." Everyone else's reply was "to be able to call people on their bullshit!" or "dedication to brutal intellectual honesty" and stuff like that. For many, it seems to be - as you say - some kind of political act.

I'm here on therpgsite for the same reason I was on rpg.net, or sjgames forum, or Masters of Luck and Death (HeroQuest) or a host of others - I like to talk about roleplaying.

I like to talk about other things, too, of course - but there are other forums for those.

Quote from: SeanchaiPersonally, I'd be happy to show him all the respect he showed me. I'm a person, too, not just an Internet name, and I, too, deserve consideration as a gamer.

Then post as a gamer. Anyway, you get consideration, as much as anyone else.

Quote from: SeanchaiSo unless you believe that the respect you're talking about is a one-way street and those that Cessna belittled and mocked while protected by his status as a moderator should now suddenly defer to him, he's got all respect he's earned...

He belittled and mocked you because you deserved it. All those unregistered posts in Trouble Tickets? Mate, let it go. I got banned for no real reason from rpg.net - do you see me going back as posting with sock puppets, constantly attacking them? No. I get over it, move on, post elsewhere. This was years ago for you. Build a bridge and get over it, for fuck's sakes.

rpg.net, therpgsite, sjgames, whatever - it's just a message board where a bunch of geeks talk about how their way of pretending to be elven princesses is so much better than everyone else's. Don't take yourself too seriously. Taking yourself seriously leads to all sorts of trouble. The Germans and Americans take themselves extremely seriously, and are constantly getting into pointless wars. It's bad for your heart. Get the fuck over it. Resign yourself to the fact that you are not important to anyone online, except by virtue of your posts being informative, interesting or amusing. Aside from that, no-one cares if you live, die, are straight, gay, eat puppies, or anything.

Resign yourself to your utter triviality and irrelevance, and the things that happen on message boards make a lot more sense.

Quote from: David RCessna, you made the right decision. I hope you change your mind, but honestly if you're going to have to put up with some folks distorting what you say and fuckers who keep trying to settle old scores, you're better off some place else.

Regards,
David R

Sadly, I think that you may be right on this one.  That really pisses me off.  I liked talking with Cessna.  He had some interesting things to say.  But it seems that several people here can't seem to be civil and keep their hate-on for RPG.net in their pants.  

Pundit, you came out looking like a total jackass on this one.  Well done.  :rolleyes:

Quote from: JimBobOzThat was the thing that struck me about the "why did you join therpgsite?" thread. I was the only one who just said, "I came to talk about roleplaying." Everyone else's reply was "to be able to call people on their bullshit!" or "dedication to brutal intellectual honesty" and stuff like that. For many, it seems to be - as you say - some kind of political act.

I'm here on therpgsite for the same reason I was on rpg.net, or sjgames forum, or Masters of Luck and Death (HeroQuest) or a host of others - I like to talk about roleplaying.

I like to talk about other things, too, of course - but there are other forums for those.

Dude, I've been trying to steer clear of this debate for a day or two now, but that is some sanctimonious bullshit right there, JB.  Listen, I know we all like to write ourselves in as the hero of our own little tales, but this takes the cake.  I don't mind having the debate, but for the love of God your shit doesn't smell like flowers.


TGA

Quote from: The Good AssyrianListen, I know we all like to write ourselves in as the hero of our own little tales, but this takes the cake.  I don't mind having the debate, but for the love of God your shit doesn't smell like flowers.

I do not think my shit smells like flowers. However, properly composted, it can act as an excellent fertiliser for flowers. That is, even bad ideas, given time to break down naturally, can help good ideas grow. So even the stupid things I or others say have some worth.

You also ignored my point, preferring to abuse me. Abuse me as much as you like, but please actually respond  - isn't it true that for some people here, we're just talking roleplaying, and for others, it's a political act, "freeeeedom!" and all that? And isn't it true that expressing freely your political ideals on an internet message board about roleplaying is about the most lame, pointless and ineffectual means of political expression imaginable?

:cheerleader:    

A few dogpiles going on here recently. Pretty reminiscent of another place when you think about it.

There's no point in expressing surprise when an excitable dog bites. Nor much use in expressing surprise when a dog handler who has whacked said dog on the nose doesn't like it when the dog bites him.

I don't play many different RPG systems, perhaps half a dozen and recent freelancing for a couple of those has pretty much stopped me posting much about them for some wierd fear about shilling or some such. Otherwise i'd post more both here and on RPGnet about RPGs in general. But it seems to me that when people start running out of things to say about games, they pass the time by chewing the cud on any old subject and by having the odd dogpile. YMMV and all that.

Go ahead and shill, mate. I mean, if Gary Gygax wandered in and started talking about having some new edition of D&D, he'd be shilling, but that wouldn't stop everyone drooling all over him. You can shill, and still have an interesting, informative and amusing discussion.

Shill away!

Quote from: JimBobOzYou also ignored my point, preferring to abuse me. Abuse me as much as you like, but please actually respond  - isn't it true that for some people here, we're just talking roleplaying, and for others, it's a political act, "freeeeedom!" and all that? And isn't it true that expressing freely your political ideals on an internet message board about roleplaying is about the most lame, pointless and ineffectual means of political expression imaginable?

I normally try to be constructive.  Your post really annoyed me.  You seem to be protesting that you are only here to talk RPGs, yet you are the one leading the charge to ban a guy for what he is saying in the non-RPG related forum.  I think that there is a disconnect.

On a practical note, I am interested in the idea of free expression as a tool for creating good discussion.  I feel that setting different standards for different parts of the site is an invitation to trouble, as the Internet lawyers amongst us will undoubtedly begin to take advantage of that and these arguments will never stop.  Ultimately it is the call of the administration of this site, but if they want to avoid the long slide into moderation that Tangency brought upon RPG.net, I would recommend against different rules for different parts of the site.  And since I truly believe that as little moderation of opinions about RPGs will produce better discussions about them...

You see, I *am* interested in talking about RPGs.  Just like you.  


TGA

Quote from: JimBobOzHe belittled and mocked you because you deserved it.

And he deserves what he gets.

But that doesn't address my point of why people who got no respect from him should turn around give it him. Just because he's no longer a moderator? Or because he's posting here? Really?

Quote from: JimBobOzAll those unregistered posts in Trouble Tickets?

Are you referring to something that happened after I was banned? You're not suggesting I was banned because of something I hadn't done, are you? (Not that it would be out of character for the moderation at TBP.)

Quote from: JimBobOzI got banned for no real reason from rpg.net

Yeah, just like all of us. No, really.

Quote from: JimBobOzdo you see me going back as posting with sock puppets, constantly attacking them?

I haven't done any of those things either.

Quote from: JimBobOzI get over it, move on, post elsewhere.

No, you didn't. You bring up how you got banned constantly.

Seanchai

Without some amount of shilling, those of us that ignore ads won't know what's going on in the game world.

Quote from: TGASadly, I think that you may be right on this one. That really pisses me off. I liked talking with Cessna. He had some interesting things to say. But it seems that several people here can't seem to be civil and keep their hate-on for RPG.net in their pants.

Don't think that just because I agree with you on this that I've forgotten your bagel atrocities. Forgiveness may come one day, but never forgetfulness.

Quote from: The Good AssyrianI normally try to be constructive.  Your post really annoyed me.  You seem to be protesting that you are only here to talk RPGs, yet you are the one leading the charge to ban a guy for what he is saying in the non-RPG related forum.  I think that there is a disconnect.

Okay folks, please don't die of shock, but I think the Pundit should make JimBob a mod. I mean someone needs to stir shit occasionally, bring things up that we may have missed. I think he's the perfect candidate*.

*He's pissed off most folks on this site, even those who agree with him - yeah JimBob I haven't forgotten the "Dear Poster X, I don't mean to offend you but I think...Love JimBob" post you made in reference to my posting style in one of this sites earlier threads .

Regards,
David R

Quote from: Erik BoielleWell, you gotta remember RPGnet started off with a tone very much like the rpgsite has now, and precisely who decided to change this isn't obvious.

It certainly looks like some self appointed local politicians decided to hijack peoples site to turn it in to something it wasn't. Possibly surprisingly, this wasn't universally appreciated.

Interesting.  I haven't lurked there long enough to have seen that and it is hard to imagine given the way RPGnet is now (not that I don't believe you).  

The reason I'm less concerned that the same would happen here is because the people who like that kind of tame politically correct board are already on RPGnet.  RPGsite caters to a different crowd that strongly dislikes over-moderation so I think history would have a hard time repeating itself.

I blame the posters over there more than the mods.  They are the ones that made the choice to complain about every little offense to their sensibilities.  Right or wrong the mods just went with what the people there wanted.  May have been a bad choice but I don't see holding a grudge about it.

Maybe I missed something—I am new here—but I thought the state of moderation here was that you could expect to hear things and opinions you didn't like, and that you were expected to be a Big Boy about such statements. No one, no one's ideas, no one's statements, et al., are protected or given more weight than they earn.

For example, in this very thread, the owner/operator of the board has been told to "have a fucking cookie," to "get off his dick, man," and called an "asshole," "a dribbling little dick," and a "cocksmock."

In line with the above, Pundit said some things. Cessna said some things. Cessna decided to leave. Why is Cessna and Cessna's participation suddenly more important than everyone else's? Why is it more important than the letter and spirit of the law here?

If you don't like the fact that Cessna is any more protected than all the other posters, do what he did and leave.

Seanchai

Quote from: GrimjackI blame the posters over there more than the mods.  They are the ones that made the choice to complain about every little offense to their sensibilities.

Except if every little offense weren't against the rules, there'd be nothing to complain about.

Seanchai