Neo-cons live in fantasy land, as well, when they get all up in arms about opportunities for the historically marginalized, spouting "how DARE you not extend additional opportunities for ME, too! ALL LIVES MATTER, DAMNIT!"

Come on...if GR wants to open some doors, let them. It's not your fucking company. It's theirs. If this chaps your ass that much, boycott their wares. And don't start in with the shit about, "Well, if they were advertising for straight, white guys," because straight white guys still rule the roost around here (and are evidently scared shitless at any indication that anyone wants to change the culture in anyway). Suck it up and drive on, vato.

And here I had thought Conservatives boycotted Green Ronin over Blue Rose 12 years ago, citing "Teh Gay Agenda" or something.

Identify as a woman. Sue them for discrimination if they deny your gender identity.

I'm largely apathetic, if mildly annoyed by the idea that targeting one group is peachy keen, but targeting another group makes you Officially Worse Than Hitler(tm).  Mostly, though, I'm curious whether this sort of thing actually has any large-scale effect.  Sure, if you open a position for women only, then that's going to mean one woman getting hired into the industry who might not have been otherwise, but is there any research showing that it will do anything more than that?  The proponents obviously like to assume that it will, but do they have anything more than good intentions to back that up?

Quote from: cranebump;956603Neo-cons live in fantasy land, as well, when they get all up in arms about opportunities for the historically marginalized, spouting "how DARE you not extend additional opportunities for ME, too! ALL LIVES MATTER, DAMNIT!"

Come on...if GR wants to open some doors, let them. It's not your fucking company. It's theirs. If this chaps your ass that much, boycott their wares. And don't start in with the shit about, "Well, if they were advertising for straight, white guys," because straight white guys still rule the roost around here (and are evidently scared shitless at any indication that anyone wants to change the culture in anyway). Suck it up and drive on, vato.

"Suck it up and drive on."

It's almost you're for traditional male stocism whenever it's convenient.

White guy succeeds. SJW's take it out on poor white guys. Look closely, it's just an excuse for rich white guys to fuck over poor white guys while pretending to be compassionate.

Quote from: Ashakyre;956620"Suck it up and drive on."

It's almost you're for traditional male stocism whenever it's convenient.

White guy succeeds. SJW's take it out on poor white guys. Look closely, it's just an excuse for rich white guys to fuck over poor white guys while pretending to be compassionate.

One of the MRAs could put his money where his mouth is and take legal action. Griping on the internet doesn't accomplish anything.

Quote from: Krimson;956626One of the MRAs could put his money where his mouth is and take legal action. Griping on the internet doesn't accomplish anything.

Legal change tends to follow cultural change. Judges and politicians aren't going to address men's issues until cultural attitudes shift. Until then there's always legal dodges they can make.

And where does legal funding come from? Discussing issues. Raising awareness. On the internet. But you're just trying to close off discussion.

And there's better cases for legal action (and what Green Ronin did might not even be illegal.)

This warrants legal action, I'd say.

http://watchdog.org/292821/male-accused-student-commits-suicide-school-railroading/

Quote from: Ashakyre;956620"Suck it up and drive on."

It's almost you're for traditional male stocism whenever it's convenient.

White guy succeeds. SJW's take it out on poor white guys. Look closely, it's just an excuse for rich white guys to fuck over poor white guys while pretending to be compassionate.

What I'm for is not getting worked up over something that doesn't actually harm you.  I'm a white dude. I'm not rich. I don't feel threatened or demeaned by this. I don't have to, because there are ample opportunities out there for me (which is sort of the point they're making). I just don't think we need to be so pissy that someone else gets to play with a toy that we don't.

I also think what some SJW's want is for white guy succeeding to admit that white guys have always had the advantage, because they made the advantage systemic. They would say that white guy doesn't succeed simply because white guy is so much more bad ass than everyone else. Various conditions contribute to white guy's badassery, among them the lack of any real barriers to what white guy wants to do, which allows white guy to be white guy's bad ass self much more easily than black/brown guy or any woman.

So, we get excluded from something. Well, guess what? Now we know what it's been like for women and minorities since the beginning. I think we can handle it better, which includes not screaming bloody murder when we see women and minorities have exclusive opportunities. Part of that is righting the ship. I may not always agree with how that's done, but status quo preachers are blind to the reality that very real injustices are woven into the fabric of a country that prides itself on being equitable. So, we either live up to it, or we admit we're a bunch of fucking liars, trash our supposed ideals, and call ourselves something else. Or, we can actually try to live up to our stated goals.

All that preaching aside, this is a simple issue. Their company, their pursuit. This is small potatoes. Quit whining and drive on.

P.S. Rich white guys fuck over EVERYBODY. Poor white guy needs to stop voting for rich white guy, just because he is rich, white guy.

1. Finding a more diverse writing pool for RPGs is good if...you believe someone's "journey", "voice" etc about their personal life will somehow critically inform their writing and be the key element.
Was Mike Pondsmith's Cyberpunk game somehow fundamentally informed by him being a Cisgendered Heterosexual Black Man born in the 50's?  If any of those things were different, would CYberpunk have been better or worse?  If so, which ones and how? Be specific.

2. It's a talent search for a contractor, not employment by an employer as defined by most labor laws, so I doubt they are breaking the law.  I'm also sure that if it were a white male talent search the internet would explode, they would be sued and lose.

3.  Doing this kind of thing in 2017 amounts to revisionist history, claiming women are this oppressed minority somehow kept out of gaming when the world of RPGs has always been more accepting of minorities than the computer game/tech industries that form the majority of gaming at this point.

4. Can we dismiss with the "If you have a problem with this, you're a dinosaur who is screaming at the approaching meteor, afraid of losing your power and control." attitude. It's pathetic.  What policies like this are founded on are the very dangerous idea that gender is destiny, race is destiny, sexual orientation is destiny.  If you possess Identity X, you are incapable of doing certain things, that can only be accomplished by Identity Y.  It's the most evil form of Nazi-style thinking that liberals have historically been fighting against and should always fight against, because that form of thinking has been the rationale behind oppressing minorities for most of human history.  When you are not the same class/caste of human as I am, I have reason to discriminate against you.  SJWs are trying to achieve Justice by taking the path and using the tools of Injustice.  They are trying to eliminate discrimination by discriminating.  Surely intelligent people can see this might not go so well.  It's essentially saying Hitler had the right idea, he just put the wrong people in the ovens.  Yeah, I went straight to the absolute extreme - that's where the path leads, and frankly, the most extreme SJWs have already gone there.

On a micro level, it's a very small thing that will potentially have a good effect, if you believe there are women who want to be RPG writers but are currently and actively being prevented from uploading a pdf to DTRPG, and the major companies like Paizo, WotC etc aren't hiring women, and these writers are so scarred from the patriarchy that they need the safety and comfort zone of a tryout exclusive to their identity before they will even step forward, in which case you and those like you...well maybe the oven isn't such a bad idea.

On a macro level, it's an action defeating the purpose.

Take this sort of crap to Pundit's forum--it isn't about role playing games it is about social agendas.

Quote from: Tristram Evans;956583Not quite the end of discussion. From your link:



I'd be very surprised if Green Ronin fit that definition.

Washington state has stricter laws. Companies with eight employees or more are covered there. I'd still be surprised if Green Ronin had enough employees to qualify.

I agree with Trechiron. There is effectively no barrier to getting you RPG product to market these days. Green Ronin isn't some corporate gatekeeper holding back anyone's dream. I question whether publicly underlining this action is going to give Green Ronin more positives than the headaches it is sure to create, but that's their deal.

I know if I was a female RPG writer, I would rather that Green Ronin just quietly assembled an all female team and let it speak for itself. By making this a sideshow, they have set up a situation where the writers on the project might get some unpleasant attention that they wouldn't have otherwise.

Quote from: cranebump;956628So, we get excluded from something. Well, guess what? Now we know what it's been like for women and minorities since the beginning. I think we can handle it better, which includes not screaming bloody murder when we see women and minorities have exclusive opportunities. Part of that is righting the ship. I may not always agree with how that's done, but status quo preachers are blind to the reality that very real injustices are woven into the fabric of a country that prides itself on being equitable. So, we either live up to it, or we admit we're a bunch of fucking liars, trash our supposed ideals, and call ourselves something else. Or, we can actually try to live up to our stated goals.

So what you're saying is, we're only going to move from inequality to equality through more inequality.  We can only fix Injustice and get to Justice through Reversal of Fortune.  We cannot have Peace, except through Victory in War.  We can only stop Evil and do Good through selective application of Evil.

Again, this works in the very short term to achieve isolated specific goals, the jury is still out on efficacy on a large social engineering scale.

Quote from: Ashakyre;956627Legal change tends to follow cultural change. Judges and politicians aren't going to address men's issues until cultural attitudes shift. Until then there's always legal dodges they can make.

And where does legal funding come from? Discussing issues. Raising awareness. On the internet. But you're just trying to close off discussion.

And there's better cases for legal action (and what Green Ronin did might not even be illegal.)

This warrants legal action, I'd say.

http://watchdog.org/292821/male-accused-student-commits-suicide-school-railroading/

The student should have received a hearing, that's for sure.

Quote from: Baulderstone;956634There is effectively no barrier to getting you RPG product to market these days.

Do you mean for anyone, or only for certain Identities?  If anyone can do it, why the targeted campaign?  Are women incapable of doing this themselves without the cover of an exclusive pool of applicants?

Quote from: CRKrueger;956636So what you're saying is, we're only going to move from inequality to equality through more inequality.  We can only fix Injustice and get to Justice through Reversal of Fortune.  We cannot have Peace, except through Victory in War.  We can only stop Evil and do Good through selective application of Evil.

Again, this works in the very short term to achieve isolated specific goals, the jury is still out on efficacy on a large social engineering scale.

You're saying that having to give up some of the pie is unjust to white guys. That's bullshit, since white guys have more of the pie to begin with.

I'm saying white guy isn't used to being challenged, and often acts like a fucking ninny when he is, often because white guy won't admit that he has historical advantages, created and codified by white guy. White guy needs to admit that, and can admit that, without having to give up white guy's dignity.

P.S. I don't think the jury is still out. We've manged to engineer the society one way. Who says we can't engineer it another? But we need to agree on the blueprint somehow.