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What Makes A Classless System Work?

Started by Ashakyre, September 20, 2016, 07:45:02 PM

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crkrueger

Quote from: Sommerjon;929970I would go with Mike Rowe.

Quote from: James Gillen;929885I want my voiceover to be Ron Howard.

JG

Morgan Freeman, maybe Tom Hanks.

No one on earth is cool enough to have James Earl Jones as a voiceover, not even James Earl Jones.
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Tod13

Quote from: CRKrueger;930024Morgan Freeman, maybe Tom Hanks.

No one on earth is cool enough to have James Earl Jones as a voiceover, not even James Earl Jones.

LOL. I want my voiceover to be done by the narrator of Too Cute! :D :cool:

Black Vulmea

Quote from: James Gillen;929885I want my voiceover to be Ron Howard.
My voice-over is Ian McShane.
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crkrueger

Quote from: Black Vulmea;930037My voice-over is Ian McShane.

Ooo, that's a good one.
Even the the "cutting edge" storygamers for all their talk of narrative, plot, and drama are fucking obsessed with the god damned rules they use. - Estar

Yes, Sean Connery\'s thumb does indeed do megadamage. - Spinachcat

Isuldur is a badass because he stopped Sauron with a broken sword, but Iluvatar is the badass because he stopped Sauron with a hobbit. -Malleus Arianorum

"Tangency Edition" D&D would have no classes or races, but 17 genders to choose from. -TristramEvans

Gronan of Simmerya

Quote from: Black Vulmea;930037My voice-over is Ian McShane.

Mine is.  William.  SHATNER!
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Bren

Quote from: CRKrueger;930024No one on earth is cool enough to have James Earl Jones as a voiceover, not even James Earl Jones.
Dammit. I wanted James Earl Jones. Now I'm afraid I'm going to be stuck with young Mark Hamill whining "I Was Going to Toshi Station to Pick Up Some Power Converters."
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Christopher Brady

Quote from: TristramEvans;929935Yeah, fair enough. I have a hard time keeping track of who the trolls are here these days.

So people who disagree with you are trolls now?  How very...  Internet of you.

On topic:  I contend that it's not the system that make Classless systems work it's the players.
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crkrueger

#158
Quote from: Christopher Brady;930105On topic:  I contend that it's not the system that make Classless systems work it's the players.

...based on extensive classless system play no doubt?

Every system it's the players that make it work...for them.  I get the feeling that's not what you mean.
Even the the "cutting edge" storygamers for all their talk of narrative, plot, and drama are fucking obsessed with the god damned rules they use. - Estar

Yes, Sean Connery\'s thumb does indeed do megadamage. - Spinachcat

Isuldur is a badass because he stopped Sauron with a broken sword, but Iluvatar is the badass because he stopped Sauron with a hobbit. -Malleus Arianorum

"Tangency Edition" D&D would have no classes or races, but 17 genders to choose from. -TristramEvans

Trond

Quote from: RPGPundit;928142I think that what this really means is that whether they consciously realize it or not, the ones it does 'work' for are creating some kind of class-structure in the system.

Actually, the way BRP normally works for me is completely classless. I just let the players roll their stats, and then give them a set number of points to put in their skills (the exact number depends on the power level). If they want to come up with some sort of profession that fits their combination of stats and skills, then that's up to them.

AsenRG

Quote from: CRKrueger;930109...based on extensive classless system play no doubt?

Every system it's the players that make it work...for them.  I get the feeling that's not what you mean.

Well, it's also the players that make class systems work, or fail, as is more often the case;).
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TristramEvans

Quote from: Sommerjon;930022Looks like someone needs their diaper changed.

Well, I'm not going to help you with that.

TristramEvans

#162
Quote from: Christopher Brady;930105So people who disagree with you are trolls now?  How very...  Internet of you.

No, I want people to disagree with me. Can't think of anything worse than having discussions with people who agree with everything I say. Ideas need to be challenged to be properly scrutinized and examined. And nothing helps to focus and crystallize one's ideas than to have to express them to others in a concise and persuasive manner.

But the other person in the scenario has to actually be providing a worthwhile argument, not simply engaging in a repetitious and vapid form of "nuh-huh" , wallowing in their ignorance, or, as the case may be, coming across completely disingenuous and lacking in self-awareness. "Troll" might not be the technically correct term for that, but its at least more polite than the other viable options that spring to mind.

yosemitemike

Quote from: TristramEvans;930127But the other person in the scenario has to actually be providing a worthwhile argument

as determined by you of course.
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TristramEvans

Quote from: yosemitemike;930141as determined by you of course.

Of course.