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Unwritten Amber novels...

Started by Runaway, October 15, 2016, 12:51:56 PM

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Runaway

I just finished with Amber.Ten novels and five short stories...It's truly sad that such masterpiece series is unfinished.
First of all, sorry for bad English and grammar mistakes.English is my second language:) Books impressed me so much and I decided to share my feeligs)Most Amber-related forums are dead, and then I found this one.

So, with amber short stories Zelazny wanted to tie up loose ends from previous ten books.Unfortunately, they're actually add new mysteries and tease uncoming plot twists.
We have: new mysterious villian, "alive" castle amber", and spikards, of course.Also it's a huge plot hole with Corwin's Pattern.Oh, when I think about it, it really hurts.

Was there any information about planned, but unwritten Amber cycle?For example, is it known, how many books RZ wanted to do?Or who should have been the narrator(in short stories we have POVs of Corwin, Merlin and surprisingly Luke and Frakir)? Too bad, Roger didn't tell some plot details to someone, before he died.I mean, it's really strange, he had friends, collegues, wife(? not sure about that) and he never shared his plans with anyone...And no materials left? There were cases, when book series were finished auther's death.Roger Jordan "wheel of time" saga as an example.Ok, maybe I just take it too serious, but I really loved these books, loved these characters and knowing that I've never be able to learn fates of Corwin, Merlin and others just burns me inside:)

Anyway, it was a great journey, and I'm really glad that I finally discovered such talanted writer as Roger Zelazny.Can't wait to check out his other works.

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And yes, there were a series of short stories after the Merlin saga. After that there was a plan to do another set of books where supposedly Luke was going to be the main character.

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Thank you for answering :)
Luke is nice character, and and I enjoyed him being a narrator in "Salesman's tale" short story.But for the new set of books...I thought, child of Merlin and Coral was a perfect choice for narrator."Amber" series would have been a beautiful tale of three generations.But for some reasons Zelazny took away mention about Coral's pregnancy from last book "Prince of Chaos".

Runaway

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Also I think I read or heard somewhere, that Zelazny wanted to kill Merlin off, but now I can't find this information.Did someone heard about this, or it's just I missed something?

Runaway

Oh, I found out, where I read about Merlin's "possible death".It has nothing to do with Zelazny's interviews or plans.It's  
just fragment from short story "The Shroudling and the Guisel".Merlin is talking with Rhanda and she says "Mayhap  you  will  die  soon" to him.
Here it is:
"Why do you come to me now, Rhanda?" I asked. "After all these years?"

     She looked away.

     "Mayhap  you  will  die  soon," she said after a time, "and I wished to
recall our happy days together at Wildwood."

     "Die soon? I live in danger. I can't deny it. I'm too near the  Throne.
But I've strong protectors--and I am stronger than people think."

     "As  I said, I have watched," she stated. "I do not doubt your prowess.
I've seen you hang many spells and maintain them. Some of them I do not even
understand."

Recently I read too much information about Zelazny and Amber because, as I said, these books really impressed me.And too much info just mixed up in my head:)Sorry for misiformation:)

finarvyn

Quote from: Runaway;925115So, with amber short stories Zelazny wanted to tie up loose ends from previous ten books.Unfortunately, they're actually add new mysteries and tease upcoming plot twists.
I read once that Zelazny described himself as an "intuitive author" whereby he would drop in details for no apparent reason, then a couple books later would discover how those details could fit into his current plotline. In other words, he may not have had a "master plan" as to where the series was supposed to go or what he had planned on writing later.
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Headless

There was a prequel written in the 20??'s they were pretty good.  They felt like 9 princes.  Not the genius but readable.  Oberon is the narrator.  It's pre pattern.

Runaway

Yes, I heard about Betancourt prequel-novels.There are three of them.Some people like it, and some people hate to death.Going to check it out later, now I'm reading Zelazny's "Lord of Light".

Runaway

Quote from: finarvyn;925382In other words, he may not have had a "master plan" as to where the series was supposed to go or what he had planned on writing later.

Yeah,I also read, that He didn't know how the series going to end, when he started "nine princes"...

And I found this:http: //adrp.proboards.com/thread/49/errors-shadow-knight
Can you explain the second error?:)

Also this:
"In the manuscript Merlin is told that Coral is pregnant, but Roger pulled that from the published book (this was around the same time he started to think about a third series, and I suspect he decided to save that little bit of discovery for a later book)".
I think Zelazny changed his mind on Coral's pregnancy, because by that time he could already knew, that he's ill, and may not have enough time to write more novels.So he dicided to write short stories instead and removed Melrin's child from plot...

Runaway

For me the biggest mystery and unanswered question of the books is Corwin's Pattern.Corwin was prisoned by Dara till the end of the second set of books, so he didn't have a chance to ecsplore his Pattern.How it actually works?Can it create shadows?Is it as powerful as Primal Pattern?If so, does it make Corwin a demigod, creator of his own universe, like Dworkin?According to Dworkin's words, he has a special bound with Primal Pattern, "he is the Pattern".He also can't be killed as long as Pattern is not destroyed.Is it same fo Corwin.He didn't use his blood to create new Pattern as Dworkin did.So does Corwin has such bound with his Pattern?
I think, explorig and evolution of Corwin's Pattern should have been one of the main themes(also spikards) in unwritten novels.

Krimson

Quote from: finarvyn;925382I read once that Zelazny described himself as an "intuitive author" whereby he would drop in details for no apparent reason, then a couple books later would discover how those details could fit into his current plotline. In other words, he may not have had a "master plan" as to where the series was supposed to go or what he had planned on writing later.

That sounds like the method Moebius used when writing the Airtight Garage though on a smaller scale.
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finarvyn

Quote from: Runaway;925710Yes, I heard about Betancourt prequel-novels.There are three of them.Some people like it, and some people hate to death.Going to check it out later, now I'm reading Zelazny's "Lord of Light".
I don't hate the Betancourt books, but I'll be the first to state that the quality isn't that high. Still, for me, some Amber is better than no Amber. My biggest frustration is that Betancourt wrote book 4 but that book 5 got cancelled, so the series "ends" on a cliffhanger.

If you read Zelazny's A Dark Travelling you may find it to be a lot like an alternate Amber. Children exploring various dimensions with the help of a special radio.
Marv / Finarvyn
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daniel_ream

His Changeling duology can be read as two Shadow sorcerors learning the rules of magic in different Shadows.  But then Zelazny did tend to revisit the same themes in his works.
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finarvyn

Quote from: daniel_ream;927458His Changeling duology can be read as two Shadow sorcerors learning the rules of magic in different Shadows.  But then Zelazny did tend to revisit the same themes in his works.
Agreed. I think it's interesting that Zelazny had two "voices" when he wrote, and that I love one but dislike the other. Essentially, he is both one of my favorite and least favorite authors of all time. :-D

One was the wisecracking hero as seen in Amber, Dilvish, Shadowjack, Changeling, Lord Demon, and others. I love that style of Roger's works. The other is more philosophical and out there and I just can't get a handle on it. Not a fan.
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I'm pretty much responsible for the S&W WB rules.
Amber Diceless Player since 1993
OD&D Player since 1975

Panjumanju

My favourite "Amber-Not-Amber" book is Zelazny's "Creatures of Light and Darkness". You may want to check it out. It can be read as kind of a proto-Amber with Egyptian gods. I enjoyed it immensely.

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