Quote from: Elfdart;911758It never ceases to amaze me how lucky I've been to have never played with fucktards like those you describe.

If the player is trying to enforce such a moronic restriction, I can't imagine even the politest players not telling him to fuck off.

My first reaction was to say "Theres the door." But I have some sort of supernatural power to collect players on the rebound off bad DMs so my SOP is to sit down and figure out how the player came to whatever oddball belief. In this case the player was just used to a peculiar campaign style and didnt know anything else.

My current group are ALL from former really bad DM groups and weaning them off the belief that the DM is out to kill and/or screw over their characters at every turn has been a struggle. Some of the worst bad habits of RPGing one or another have picked up because thats what they needed to survive.

And some of the most crack-headed claims and posts here on RPGsite oft stem from players with bad DMs and the fucked up beliefs they cling to even when shown that "No. That is not how it is at every table or even most tables."

Quote from: Elfdart;911758It never ceases to amaze me how lucky I've been to have never played with fucktards like those you describe.

If the player is trying to enforce such a moronic restriction, I can't imagine even the politest players not telling him to fuck off. If my mage happens upon a scroll or spell book that has a spell that your mage, for some asshole reason, claims exclusive rights to, guess what -my mage now has the spell too. Don't like it? Tough titty for you.

If this is some kind of house rule by the DM, I would tend to be against it but under the right conditions could be interesting. If only one mage has magic missile (for example) then when he or she dies, the spell dies with them. So either the spell is gone forever, or a mage has to go back to the old drawing board and re-research the spell or it suddenly becomes available again to whoever gets hold of that mage's spell book. I can see quite a few mages getting fragged for access to their spells...

YES!

That's you fucking D&D, son!

Quote from: Omega;911997My first reaction was to say "Theres the door." But I have some sort of supernatural power to collect players on the rebound off bad DMs so my SOP is to sit down and figure out how the player came to whatever oddball belief. In this case the player was just used to a peculiar campaign style and didnt know anything else.

My current group are ALL from former really bad DM groups and weaning them off the belief that the DM is out to kill and/or screw over their characters at every turn has been a struggle. Some of the worst bad habits of RPGing one or another have picked up because thats what they needed to survive.

And some of the most crack-headed claims and posts here on RPGsite oft stem from players with bad DMs and the fucked up beliefs they cling to even when shown that "No. That is not how it is at every table or even most tables."

I hate shit GMs with a passion and especially what they do to, who would otherwise be, fucking amazing players. The mindfuckery you have to unwind them from is insane. What this does mean though is I've collected, at most conservative count, a few dozen players for life who love the fuck out of my games and I'm thankful for that fact that I was able make RPGs a happy memory for them and something to look forward to.



Now, on the alignment point, I think Alignment is amazing. I absolutely hold my player to acting in accordance with their Alignment. Same way I hold them to acting with their Virtue and Vice. If a players robs a wealthy or alright motherfucker to give to his local poor community or, better yet, to feed his starving brothers and sisters, that's Chaotic as fuck but its a fundamentally Good thing. Rob for himself, cleanly as possible and from someone who's doing alright, straight Chaotic and Neutral. Rob a homeless man on the street of the few petty coins he's got while wrecking his shit or maybe giving him a beatdown? Evil all the way and Neutral in the first and definitely Chaotic in the second.

Its a dynamic scale and if you rock the boat, I'll declare a flip or have em' do a Wisdom roll.

Quote from: Omega;911997And some of the most crack-headed claims and posts here on RPGsite oft stem from players with bad DMs and the fucked up beliefs they cling to even when shown that "No. That is not how it is at every table or even most tables."

You also described most of the crackheaded complaints about gaming 'culture' over at rpg.net.

And Dragonsfoot. And Giants In the Playground. And Enworld. And...

And BGG/RPGG and...

Is there a fora that doesnt develop a nest of them?

Back on topic.

Theres also the opposite as noted earlier. Players who want everyone to be the same class.

This can be fun on its own with the right pitch to a group. But when it becomes a demand it can feel just as onerous as any other. I've seen a few DMs and players pitch the idea of say an all thief group, etc. Never seen one actually demand it. Usually the more insistent pitches I've seen was because someone was inspired by a book or movie. Three Musketeers was one a player wanted to emulate and one DM wanted to do a sort of Knights of the Round campaign because he'd red Le Morte d'Arthur. Whic is ok with me long as it isnt a demand.

Quote from: Omega;912134And BGG/RPGG and...

Is there a fora that doesnt develop a nest of them?

Back on topic.

Theres also the opposite as noted earlier. Players who want everyone to be the same class.

This can be fun on its own with the right pitch to a group. But when it becomes a demand it can feel just as onerous as any other. I've seen a few DMs and players pitch the idea of say an all thief group, etc. Never seen one actually demand it. Usually the more insistent pitches I've seen was because someone was inspired by a book or movie. Three Musketeers was one a player wanted to emulate and one DM wanted to do a sort of Knights of the Round campaign because he'd red Le Morte d'Arthur. Whic is ok with me long as it isnt a demand.

I tend to prefer classless games, but mono class games can be fun.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;909133When anyone wonders why I posted once in a year-and-a-half, re-read this post - Opa nails it.

Over the past three years the level of abject stupid on this site broke whatever gawddamned meter you use to measure abject stupid. Then it rebuilt the meter with chewing gum and packing tape and broke it again, only harder the second time, like dropping a cargo [strike]container[/strike] ship on it, and then nuking the meter and the ship from orbit, 'cause it's the only way to be sure.

See you in the funny pages.

Shame, we've missed you. Not that I can blame you or disagree in any way.

Of course, the condemnation loses a bit of its bite when you've been hanging out on RPGnet instead...

Quote from: TristramEvans;924242Of course, the condemnation loses a bit of its bite when you've been hanging out on RPGnet instead...

Well, if anyone on this site every bothered to get over SWINE! and SJWs!, they might notice that there's been a shift in attitudes among many of the gamers who frequent Big Purple: sandboxes, hexcrawls, develop-in-play, rulings and rules are written about at least as favorably as plot-heavy adventure paths for characters with sixteen page backstories. The influence of the OSR blogosphere in particular, supplemented by those of us who toiled long in the lavender and violet trenches, is palpable in many discussions - if you stick to talking about gaming instead of constantly looking for a hill of complaints about the moderation policy to die on, there are some good discussions to be had.

Moreover, there are more brainstorming threads, more stuff to actually mine for use at the table, at Big Purple than on many blogs these days.

It still has its fair share of puckered shit-spigots squirting corn-kerneled ass-gravy into otherwise useful discussions, but that's just as true of Knights and Knaves Alehouse, Dragonsfoot, and EN World.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;924535Well, if anyone on this site every bothered to get over SWINE! and SJWs!, they might notice that there's been a shift in attitudes among many of the gamers who frequent Big Purple: sandboxes, hexcrawls, develop-in-play, rulings and rules are written about at least as favorably as plot-heavy adventure paths for characters with sixteen page backstories. The influence of the OSR blogosphere in particular, supplemented by those of us who toiled long in the lavender and violet trenches, is palpable in many discussions - if you stick to talking about gaming instead of constantly looking for a hill of complaints about the moderation policy to die on, there are some good discussions to be had.

I kinda know. I've been working in that direction for years now, as evidenced by my post on TBP...
It's just that the moderators there manage to get on my nerves way more often. If you weren't right about the discussions, I would have deleted my account.
But I still have it;).

QuoteMoreover, there are more brainstorming threads, more stuff to actually mine for use at the table, at Big Purple than on many blogs these days.

Also true, but I don't even need to log in to see them. They're in the open parts of the forum, and I can log in if I want to say thanks for an idea, or give positive feedback (I've mostly stopped telling people on Internet how wrong they are).

QuoteIt still has its fair share of puckered shit-spigots squirting corn-kerneled ass-gravy into otherwise useful discussions, but that's just as true of Knights and Knaves Alehouse, Dragonsfoot, and EN World.

Maybe so, can't comment on any of those three. I find the ratio of such people is currently better on this forum, however, so here I am.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;924535puckered shit-spigots squirting corn-kerneled ass-gravy

Awesome.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;924535Well, if anyone on this site every bothered to get over SWINE! and SJWs!, they might notice that there's been a shift in attitudes among many of the gamers who frequent Big Purple...

Sure the paranoid monomania of some folks on this site about the eeevulh SJWs and Swine! is tedious and frequently annoying. But a big chunk of both the tedium and the annoyance can be avoided by staying out of the Punditry section of the site. And unlike TBP, here I don't have to read, re-read, and analyze to death every post before I hit the Submit button so I don't trigger a raging hyena pack or tick off some mod with a cause, a grudge, or poor reading comprehension. YMMV and all that.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;924535Well, if anyone on this site every bothered to get over SWINE! and SJWs!, they might notice that there's been a shift in attitudes among many of the gamers who frequent Big Purple: sandboxes, hexcrawls, develop-in-play, rulings and rules are written about at least as favorably as plot-heavy adventure paths for characters with sixteen page backstories. The influence of the OSR blogosphere in particular, supplemented by those of us who toiled long in the lavender and violet trenches, is palpable in many discussions - if you stick to talking about gaming instead of constantly looking for a hill of complaints about the moderation policy to die on, there are some good discussions to be had.

Moreover, there are more brainstorming threads, more stuff to actually mine for use at the table, at Big Purple than on many blogs these days.

It still has its fair share of puckered shit-spigots squirting corn-kerneled ass-gravy into otherwise useful discussions, but that's just as true of Knights and Knaves Alehouse, Dragonsfoot, and EN World.

Nah, ENWorld's cool. Shitheads tend to get dealt with there fairly consistently. Their more "senior" members are less ornery versions of you gits on 'ere generally. And I note particularly that the Star Wars lot on there are particularly derisive of each other, especially anything to do with Edge of the Empire+

Quote from: Bren;924560Sure the paranoid monomania of some folks on this site about the eeevulh SJWs and Swine! is tedious and frequently annoying. But a big chunk of both the tedium and the annoyance can be avoided by staying out of the Punditry section of the site. And unlike TBP, here I don't have to read, re-read, and analyze to death every post before I hit the Submit button so I don't trigger a raging hyena pack or tick off some mod with a cause, a grudge, or poor reading comprehension. YMMV and all that.

You're a bunch of old farts. RPG-lovin' farts.

In 20 years I might be one, though.

Ain't no better place to get some learnin' in for how it'll be!

Quote from: Black Vulmea;924535Well, if anyone on this site every bothered to get over SWINE! and SJWs!,

I think besides Pundit I've seen maybe 2 posters here use the term "swine" unironically.

Quote from: AsenRG;924537(I've mostly stopped telling people on Internet how wrong they are).

Feels like a weight off doesn't it?

Quote from: Bren;924560And unlike TBP, here I don't have to read, re-read, and analyze to death every post before I hit the Submit button so I don't trigger a raging hyena pack or tick off some mod with a cause, a grudge, or poor reading comprehension. YMMV and all that.

We sure seem to have about 0.5 blow-ups per day here, regardless. The reasons are different but I don't feel like they're better.

TBP - eh, I made my position clear long ago. There'll always be people you disagree with. If we spend our time talking about how anti-X we are, then we're nothing more than the negative reflection of the same thing. We do better by making this the best discussion site that provides useful insight into helping people game well. Living well is the best revenge and all that.

Quote from: Willie the Duck;924569We sure seem to have about 0.5 blow-ups per day here, regardless. The reasons are different but I don't feel like they're better.t.

My thoughts are that they are generally "better" because for the most part here we have the option of talking things out like adults, even if there's no guarantee anyone else is going to respond like an adult.