Quote from: Shipyard Locked;924238. . . a bunch of shit not worth actually quoting . . .

I'm laughing my ass off right now, because you honestly believe I noticed it was you to whom I replied. I saw stupidity, I called it out as stupidity - to whom I responded wasn't remotely on my radar.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;924239I'm laughing my ass off right now, because you honestly believe I noticed it was you to whom I replied. I saw stupidity, I called it out as stupidity - to whom I responded wasn't remotely on my radar.

Wow, that was fast! You couldn't wait to get that confrontation dopamine rush. I understand, I'm feeling it too, though in a less sophisticated manner of course. It's funny to think we're kind of getting each other off, you making me feel the giddy exhilaration of a person who rarely fights anyone and me making your feel the warm smugness of a worldly veteran knight brushing off a contemptible inferior.

And look at that, you went to the trouble of grabbing an appropriate meme and replacing my quoted text with something mean too. You're still wasting your limited time on the likes of me! I'm flattered that as execrable an idiot as I is worthy of Black Vulmea's efforts! Shall we keep this going then? Come on white knight, you know you want the glory of chasing a Hillary Clinton voter off a site filled with Trump supporters and semi-closeted alt-righters. I promise I'll lose steam laughably fast!

I feel manshamed. I'm gonna go manspread in my mancave.

Man, wut?

Well...that got homoerotic fast

Quote from: TristramEvans;924252Well...that got homoerotic fast

Yeah, what can I say, I've got a fetish for sneering hypocritical sexist alpha geeks. My sap just gets going when I see gems of constructive discussion like:

Quote from: Black VulmeaY'know, I think nerfing spells like teleport, divination, fly and such is the shit-ass referee's way of covering for their own lack of imagination and tactical skill.

"LOL, learn 2 play noob!"

Quote from: Black VulmeaOver the past three years the level of abject stupid on this site broke whatever gawddamned meter you use to measure abject stupid. Then it rebuilt the meter with chewing gum and packing tape and broke it again, only harder the second time, like dropping a cargo container ship on it, and then nuking the meter and the ship from orbit, 'cause it's the only way to be sure.

See you in the funny pages.

"See you right here soon enough because I can't seem to actually quit you awful troglodytes."

Quote from: Black VulmeaIt beats the shit out of half the stuff churned out by fat-ass game designers who spent their formative years in their moms' basements.

"Not like me, a real fucking man and noble internet warrior who runs pirate and cowboy pretend games and writes copious amounts about it. Heck, my superiority is obvious from my devastatingly witty application of carefully dredged up pre-fab internet memes alone."

Quote from: Black Vulmea;924231The ne plus ultra of mansplaining.

Did you just use 'mansplaining' in a serious context?  You know, the only guys that get behind this shit are the dudes willing to do anything for female attention, even sacrifice their own logic and masculinity.  

And seriously, I noticed this:

Quote from: Black Vulmea;924231It beats the shit out of half the stuff churned out by fat-ass game designers who spent their formative years in their moms' basements.

...isn't this 'lol ur momz basement' thing a little old, a little 'SJW'?  

Actually, no- I want a poll:  Who has actually lived in their parents' basement, ever?  

The one dude I know that does live in his mom's basement is her legal caretaker and while she's in poor health, he runs a business from there.  He's actually a successful man that loves his mother and made sacrifices to keep her out of an assisted living home.

Quote from: Crüesader;924265Did you just use 'mansplaining' in a serious context?  You know, the only guys that get behind this shit are the dudes willing to do anything for female attention, even sacrifice their own logic and masculinity.  

And seriously, I noticed this:



...isn't this 'lol ur momz basement' thing a little old, a little 'SJW'?  

Actually, no- I want a poll:  Who has actually lived in their parents' basement, ever?  

The one dude I know that does live in his mom's basement is her legal caretaker and while she's in poor health, he runs a business from there.  He's actually a successful man that loves his mother and made sacrifices to keep her out of an assisted living home.

Crusader does that last quote even come from Black Vulmea (when I followed it, it just brought me to first post you quoted)?

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;924305Crusader does that last quote even come from Black Vulmea (when I followed it, it just brought me to first post you quoted)?

Yup, post 204 of the "Does anyone else hate niche protection?" thread.

In other words, fuck all to do with this thread.

Quote from: yosemitemike;923961How much of an effect on who?  If it slightly influences one person, it could be said to have an effect.    

Is it really or are there just some very vocal, identity politics obsessed people who want to make it one?

Fair enough. Those were some really lazy responses on my part.

Quote from: CRKrueger;924014To be fair, Update #3 was written by Greg Vaughn,

Well shit! Corrected.

I could have sworn it was a guest post but the name at the end is plain as day. How the hell did I miss that?

Quote from: Lynn;924083in my first year in college, I was taking a creative writing course and a design course, and I suggested to both teachers that the design course did an image, and the creative writing course would write a story based on one of the images (so each artist would get matched to a writer). The end result was interesting, because most of the artists responded to the stories with "that's not what the image represents". They completely missed the point that the assignment had nothing to do with their personal therapy, and its not the viewer's job to 'figure out' what the artist is trying to communicate. A viewer arrives at conclusions based on what they see.

And hopefully they took that lesson to heart.

Quote from: Lynn;924083If the viewer goes in another direction, it is the artist that fails.

But how can they 'succeed' if all art is interpreted in contexts they cannot possible realize?

Quote from: Lynn;924083Whining that 'you are not educated enough to get what I am communicating' is an amateurish, narcissistic child squeal.

Especially when it comes to art.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;924519But how can they 'succeed' if all art is interpreted in contexts they cannot possible realize?

They can't, and they shouldn't be trying to do the impossible, IMO. Fuck the "if the reader or viewer goes in another direction, they fail" noise!
Federico Fellini of all people has an episode in his autobiography how a viewer had interpreted one of his movies in a way that almost scared him. And no, the movie was anything but a failure.
One of the greatest Bulgarian poets has a poem that he inarguably wrote in a spirit of forgiveness, based on accounts of people that knew him and talked with him, his own letters and so on. It's one of his greatest works, by all accounts.
It's also something that can and is misinterpreted routinely, including by myself when I first read it:).

How people interpret what you write or paint depends on what's already in their heads. Since you can't control what goes in their heads, you can't control what the readers or viewers would think, either;).

Quote from: Harg of the City Afar;923376I like the character sheet.

It's a good character sheet.

Though, this is my recent OSR favorite:
http://swordsandstitchery.blogspot.com/2016/04/commentary-on-srulyan-vault-by-venger.html

Quote from: Exploderwizard;923422If the goal here is to try to get OSR material produced by, and marketed to younger female gamers how about some original actual game content. OSR adventures written by and illustrated by women would be a better move than just slapping some new art on content that is old and familiar.

THIS is exactly my point. It would have been far bolder if FGG had announced the S&W: Contessa Edition and let Stacey lead a team of all female writers and artists. It would have been the same amount of identity politics, pandering and gimmick, but it would be an actual "OSR game by women for women"

THAT would have been daring. This is weaksauce.

Quote from: Lynn;923546It is a hard thing to market a product in a mature market space, especially when your product has no substantially differentiating features.

Agreed. That's why I am surprised FGG didn't go bolder.

Quote from: daniel_ream;923624There are actually a surprisingly large number of men writing romance novels, but they have to do it under female pseudonyms because women won't buy a romance novel written by a man.  This tends to limit their careers because they can't go to conventions or do publicity events like book signings.

I was a literary agent's assistant back in college and I can confirm this 100%. We had multiple romance authors who were men who also sold erotica. Several of the men had multiple female names and used the pseudonyms to become stable writers in different paperback companies.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;923656I know if someone got pissed because I had some creepy butterflies on one of my covers, my instinctual response would be to put ten creepy butterflies on the next one.

The creepy butterflies aren't the issue. It's the weird idea of attracting women customers by putting butterflies on the cover. If an all-male team put out that book while claiming the cover was now going to attract women, there would be a greatly deserved shaming over the sexist implications.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;923667because I am a shameless weeb who is willing to whore out his own game before it's even finished

Shine on you shameless weeb!

Looking forward your rough draft.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;923667And to get us back on topic, I don't see what the big deal is about FGG hiring a female developer for the new game.

There is no female developer.

It's the same made-by-penis-people text, but with female artists and a female art director.

Quote from: Ulairi;923728Let the bears pay the bear tax I'll pay the Homer tax.

...for those of you who missed the reference...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtgvWZuyYKc

Quote from: Baulderstone;924065I think it is pretty clever the way they have played guys like Spinchcat into promoting their game as well. I'm sure some of the pledges were driven by this thread.

20 pages ago, I said I'm happy for everyone to open their wallets and make it rain on Frog God Games. I'm a big fan of Swords & Wizardry: White Box so I want to see the company prosper.

But I'm still laughing at their weaksauce gimmick and the grimdark "for the grrls" butterflies.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;924247I feel manshamed. I'm gonna go manspread in my mancave.

It's the only logical response!

Quote from: Crüesader;924265Actually, no- I want a poll:  Who has actually lived in their parents' basement, ever?

I've never been in a house with a basement in California.

I wonder if basements are still a thing with new houses anywhere in the country.

Quote from: Spinachcat;924558The creepy butterflies aren't the issue. It's the weird idea of attracting women customers by putting butterflies on the cover. If an all-male team put out that book while claiming the cover was now going to attract women, there would be a greatly deserved shaming over the sexist implications.

I wouldn't be outraged by that either. To me the outrage is the issue, not the issues behind the outrage. I see articles in my social media feeds about fighting against 'gendered toys' or covers being too sexy for example and I find that about as annoying as I find people reaction to creepy butterflies. My whole point is I just want companies and artists to make things they think are cool that will appeal to their fans without everything revolving around outrage (usually feigned) from some sector of the fan community. I think the more we give into that, the less the focus will be on quality and people putting out what inspires them. To me this cover looks inspired and like the people behind are passionate about it. If they think it will attract more women, I say they should go for it (but who knows how successful that will be). I'd much rather a company like this take a chance appealing to women in a way it thinks will work, without them worrying about the evolving landscape of offense and outrage on social media.

Quote from: Spinachcat;924558I wonder if basements are still a thing with new houses anywhere in the country.

Yeah in a lot of places I was looking, they still had basements, even in new homes, and on a lot of community boards, a lot of the country thinks CA is still very weird for not having them.

Kind of ironic that we don't, a properly constructed basement is probably the single-best thing you can do to make your house earthquake resistant (probably also the most expensive).