Quote from: Jetstream;905449... He didn't say it was stealing. He said it was bullshit to use a store's facilities but not give them money.

Someone else suggested that it might be stealing.

Did you quote the wrong thing?

Looks back it seems so oops

ps. thank you

Off topic:  Why would you buy something used?  It's smarter to just pirate it, or in the case of the PFSRD go and use the free tools provided.  Buying used doesn't benefit the original creator of the product and takes your money, but if you use the SRD, the original creator still doesn't get any money, but you're not out an outrageous amount of cash better spent on snacks.

To the OP, Pathfinder DOES do some good things for 3.5 you may want to steal (metaphorically speaking as the articles in question are covered by the OGL), off the top of my head (and which are the only two that ever stick with me...) is the changes to Cleave and Great Cleave, instead of triggering another attack on death of target, they work on HIT, you just need to tag it and you can attack a secondary and/or tertiary foe.  The other one is the Paladin's Smite change, if you miss it's still 'up', so it doesn't feel like a waste of a strike.

So at the very least, I suggest going through the SRD and picking what you like.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;905456Off topic:  Why would you buy something used?  It's smarter to just pirate it, or in the case of the PFSRD go and use the free tools provided.

Because you want a bound, hard copy, not a pdf or electronic tools? That seems pretty self-evident.

Quote from: Sable Wyvern;905457Because you want a bound, hard copy, not a pdf or electronic tools? That seems pretty self-evident.

This argument works if the article is out of print.  Pathfinder is not.  Pay full price and support Paizo.

Back when it came out, Pathfinder was a pretty good deal because you had a good 'final release' of 3.5, all in one book, and also, you could purchase it on Amazon at a quite reasonable price (for a while there, 3.5 books were not cheap - my contacts at Powell's books told me that 3.5 was flying off the shelves whenever they'd get in used copies after 4.x came out). I ran two campaigns using PF rules. What I find interesting is that there has often been talk about a PF 2.0, but not much movement in that regard. I think sticking with the 3.5+ is exactly their plan, and introducing more and more products around that. If I were going to start a new campaign with rules of similar complexity now, Id go with D&D 5. But then, all the OSR alternatives offer their own special kinds of fun, and Id more likely want to run a LotFP or DCC game.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;905460This argument works if the article is out of print.  Pathfinder is not.  Pay full price and support Paizo.

Trying to make the argument that it's unethical to buy second hand unless an item is out of print (I see now that your comment about piracy was passive-aggressive crap actually throwing moral judgement at someone for buying a second-hand item and accusing them of stealing from the publisher) is rather sad and ridiculous.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;905456Off topic:  Why would you buy something used?

I need to use it, and I don't want to damage my own copy + I don't wanna pay full price.

Bear in mind, that while...

QuoteIt's smarter to just pirate it

...not everyone is into pirating, not everyone prefers e-reading. In case of former, I assure you, there are things in-print you won't pirate and in case of latter, there are additional factors: PDFs are often unoptimized, sluggish, like to freeze for a few seconds per each new screen, doesn't feature good navigation links. Internet is unreliable, sites go down, like someone observed earlier - there might be a problem with energy...

Quote from: JesterRaiin;905467I need to use it, and I don't want to damage my own copy + I don't wanna pay full price.

Bear in mind, that while...



...not everyone is into pirating, not everyone prefers e-reading. In case of former, I assure you, there are things in-print you won't pirate and in case of latter, there are additional factors: PDFs are often unoptimized, sluggish, like to freeze for a few seconds per each new screen, doesn't feature good navigation links. Internet is unreliable, sites go down, like someone observed earlier - there might be a problem with energy...

You missed the point, just as I did. Piracy is bad, and is stealing food from the mouth of the publisher, just like buying second hand. :rolleyes:

Quote from: Sable Wyvern;905468You missed the point, just as I did. Piracy is bad, and is stealing food from the mouth of the publisher, just like buying second hand. :rolleyes:

Poe's Law. It's hard to tell whether your interlocutor is serious at the moment, so until people clarify it, I assume everyone is.

Best thing to do with Pathfinder IMO is use the materials to run 5e. The system itself is a nightmare once you go above 6th level.

Quote from: Sable Wyvern;905468You missed the point, just as I did. Piracy is bad, and is stealing food from the mouth of the publisher, just like buying second hand. :rolleyes:

I LOL'd.

But really, I'd rather save a book from the trashpile.  The publisher will be fine.  Call me 'entitled', but I try to be careful with my money.  Too many life-changing emergencies to throw money at new shinies for shelf price if I can avoid it.

I'm the guy that used to carry in a bunch of old games to get store credit to buy a pre-owned game.

Rules wise pathfinder is a mess in dire need of cleaning up. It could learn a few things from Trailblazer, Fantasycraft and 13th age, or even True20.

It's called an owner's manual, not a core rulebook. We're talking about Nissans, right?

Quote from: S'mon;905487Best thing to do with Pathfinder IMO is use the materials to run 5e. The system itself is a nightmare once you go above 6th level.

http://p6codex.com/

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;905496Rules wise pathfinder is a mess in dire need of cleaning up. It could learn a few things from Trailblazer, Fantasycraft and 13th age, or even True20.

More than just "a couple things", but if it wasn't a mess, it wouldn't be much like 3.5, would it:D?