Quote from: Warboss Squee;904583Skarka needs to be dragged into to court and shook upside down till the lint falls from his pockets.

Especially since he's so proud of the new product he put out with Adamant.

Eh, Skarka's driven himself into irrelevancy with his continued delays - there's kickstarters I'm more annoyed at than his. (Admittedly, kickstarters that I put more money into than his.)  The project isn't complete, and I suspect it never will be, but he did deliver the short story collection and has delivered a partial pdf of the rpg.

On the other hand there's, oh, the Pulse Dice Kickstarter by our own Anon Adderlan, who hasn't updated his kickstarter in over two years.  Or Apothesis Drive X, where the creators have apparently fled the country.  Or the Bump in the Night kickstarter, whose last update over a year ago was an apology for not updating for so long.  Skarka at least is engaged, he posts to the project, he does regular updates.  Sure, he blows through his deadlines like spiderwebs in a haunted house, but he's still doing something.  These other folks have just walked away with the money.

Quote from: jcfiala;904634On the other hand there's, oh, the Pulse Dice Kickstarter by our own Anon Adderlan, who hasn't updated his kickstarter in over two years.

The KS reads now shipping from warehouse? So they actually never shipped to backers?

Quote from: Omega;904641The KS reads now shipping from warehouse? So they actually never shipped to backers?

Reading the comments, it sounds like the project is just being ignored. No one seems to know anything and they can't get any sort of communication going, and as you can see the last update was years ago. At least guys like Skarka and Whitman put in the effort of making excuses and putting out false launch dates for their products every so often.

Quote from: Brand55;904650At least guys like Skarka and Whitman put in the effort of making excuses and putting out false launch dates for their products every so often.

I'm having a hard time deciding if I'd rather be lied to than ignored.

Quote from: Omega;904641The KS reads now shipping from warehouse? So they actually never shipped to backers?

That's correct.  I never saw any dice, and if you look around at the comments you'll see lots of folks have mentioned not seeing any dice either.

Quote from: Brand55;904650Reading the comments, it sounds like the project is just being ignored. No one seems to know anything and they can't get any sort of communication going, and as you can see the last update was years ago. At least guys like Skarka and Whitman put in the effort of making excuses and putting out false launch dates for their products every so often.

Yeah.  I mean, he posts here fairly regularly, but still hasn't actually done anything with the kickstarter in a while.  And again, at least Skarka has given out refunds to folks.  (Reluctantly, but reluctant money still spends just fine.)

Quote from: Bren;904652I'm having a hard time deciding if I'd rather be lied to than ignored.

Oh, from a consumer perspective you're getting crapped on either way. I was just saying at least the others put in more effort. And at least GMS has produced some stuff. I honestly never thought Icons Team-Up would come out, but I guess a PDF is better than nothing. Whitman is just a scam artist, though.

Quote from: Omega;904525No clue. But some backers felt like it was a bait-n-switch. Wasnt helped by the designers having a bit of an attitude problem initially. If I recall correctly it was simply that the designers had new ideas and implemented those instead of what had been presented on the KS. The game shipped and alot of players like it. But it didnt live up to the hype that had built up to the KS. I dont feel like digging through old threads to find out. I walked after they started announcing it was going to be a CCG.

No worries, just curious. I have curbed my KS spending a lot lately, partially due to stories like that.

Quote from: TristramEvans;904578I backed the Diehard minis Kickstarter and just about two months later received my miniatures. They are absolutely gorgeous. I'll be going all in for their next kickstarter slated for this fall.

That is fantastic! I'll have to keep an eye out for them.

Quote from: TristramEvans;904578I backed the Diehard minis Kickstarter and just about two months later received my miniatures. They are absolutely gorgeous. I'll be going all in for their next kickstarter slated for this fall.

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Those do look really good for minis.

On a related note I saw an add for writing game articles. The fellow offered to pay 20 cents per 100 views of the article with $1 bonus per 1000 views. Now my first question would be how many views is this site getting, but of course my natural reaction would be, "My real job pays me $23 an hour. Why on Earth would I want to write RPG material for anyone but myself?"

Quote from: Christopher Brady;902723Delays count.  If you cannot deliver a product on time, why should I trust anything else0 you say?  (General you, not AsenRG specific you.)

Yes, delays count. But even fucking Amazon experience delays! (Not for long, but they do - it happened with the delivery of my Eclipse Phase book).

Maybe this would help you, I don't know. Anyway, I have two very simple rules on KS.

"Never pledge more money on KS then half of what I'm comfortable just sending to The Red Cross".
"If I ever get ripped off on a KS, I'll send the same sum to the Red Cross as soon as I give up".
Clear enough? I'm either getting something for it, or it is all charity.
What these rules ensure is that I'm never going to feel hurt, ripped-off, or anything.
BTW, I've never had to refer to the second rule;).

Quote from: Krimson;905017On a related note I saw an add for writing game articles. The fellow offered to pay 20 cents per 100 views of the article with $1 bonus per 1000 views. Now my first question would be how many views is this site getting, but of course my natural reaction would be, "My real job pays me $23 an hour. Why on Earth would I want to write RPG material for anyone but myself?"

If it's the same site I'm thinking of, the answer was "7-10k unique views/month". You can do the math.

Quote from: AsenRG;9050301 But even fucking Amazon experience delays! (Not for long, but they do - it happened with the delivery of my Eclipse Phase book).

2Maybe this would help you, I don't know. Anyway, I have two very simple rules on KS.

"Never pledge more money on KS then half of what I'm comfortable just sending to The Red Cross".
"If I ever get ripped off on a KS, I'll send the same sum to the Red Cross as soon as I give up".
Clear enough? I'm either getting something for it, or it is all charity.
What these rules ensure is that I'm never going to feel hurt, ripped-off, or anything.
BTW, I've never had to refer to the second rule;).

1. I can attest to that as well. My copy of Bethorm ("will arrive in 2-4 business days") took fucking 2 weeks to get to me, due to dishonesty and incompetence on Amazon's part. BTW, for what it's worth, they have  some of the worst customer service reps I've ever encountered.

2. This is a good way to look at it. I've never participated in a KS, but if I do I'll make sure to keep this strategy in mind.

Shemek

Amusingly last week I had a package that said it was out for delivery... 2200 miles away on the other side of the continent. I contacted Amazon and they said it would be redirected and I would receive it that afternoon. I was like "Yeah right" and yet when I got home, the package was there waiting for me. No idea how they managed that.

Quote from: Krimson;905117Amusingly last week I had a package that said it was out for delivery... 2200 miles away on the other side of the continent. I contacted Amazon and they said it would be redirected and I would receive it that afternoon. I was like "Yeah right" and yet when I got home, the package was there waiting for me. No idea how they managed that.

Amazing. Whereas my package was supposedly 50km from my home, yet they had to ship it from a supplier 4100km away.

Shemek