Quote from: CRKrueger;878230Or if you just want everyone to shut the hell up, let Adventures in Glorantha come out.

Or print enough copies to burn them on film. At least then the vitriol will match the offense.

Quote from: Akrasia;878224my review of CoC 7e? I was one of the very few people to have nice things to say about 7e in these parts. [Chaosium is still selling CoC, right? It's not now 100% Glorantha-ized?])

Please don't mention that. I'm now having nightmares about an unholy merger of those 2 settings.

Quote from: This Guy;878243Or print enough copies to burn them on film. At least then the vitriol will match the offense.

Good One!

Quote from: Baulderstone;878163Given that Chaosium is saying this edition change was a cold, hard business decision driven by low royalties, I'd think they would be interested in the fact that so much of the fanbase is unhappy with the decision.

Is it, though? Or are we echo chambering like crazy here?

Quote from: Warthur;878265Is it, though? Or are we echo chambering like crazy here?

I vote chamber. Love the Mechanism but I haven't bought a new iteration of RuneQuest since it came in boxes. Eager to see the new one.

If so, our echo extends to BRPCentral and awfulpurple where the same conversation is happening with different forumgoers.

Quote from: CRKrueger;878269If so, our echo extends to BRPCentral and awfulpurple where the same conversation is happening with different forumgoers.

I'm not sure how much of that is down to Akrasia's whispering campaign where he PMs people dropping the same "I game with one of the Design Mechanism guys and there's totally secret dirt and rancor involved" hints he did in his blog post without actually saying anything of substance.

Quote from: Warthur;878270I'm not sure how much of that is down to Akrasia's whispering campaign where he PMs people dropping the same "I game with one of the Design Mechanism guys and there's totally secret dirt and rancor involved" hints he did in his blog post without actually saying anything of substance.

That's a serious accusation. Can you back it up?

And even if it were true — do you feel MOB's doing a good job of handling it?

Quote from: The Butcher;878274That's a serious accusation. Can you back it up?

Given that I'm a recipient of PMs from him along those lines, I can document those.

If I am the only person he has PM'd on this subject then I might have overstated the case. But given that he's done a blog post on the subject and then bothered to PM me about it he certainly seems keen to get the word out about this juicy Chaosium/TDM scandal that he can only hint at.

As for MOB's handling of PR stuff... dude, I'm on the CoC7 Kickstarter, I have seen the miracles the Moon Design team can pull off when it comes to taking a righteously furious fanbase and calming them down and getting them onside.

I don't think MOB needs anyone here to be Chaosium's armchair PR expert, and I certainly find the pearl-clutching some have displayed around here amusing given the depths people here regularly drag the discourse down to.

Quote from: Warthur;878276Given that I'm a recipient of PMs from him along those lines, I can document those.

Well then, I guess the ball's on Akrasia's court.

Quote from: Warthur;878276As for MOB's handling of PR stuff... dude, I'm on the CoC7 Kickstarter, I have seen the miracles the Moon Design team can pull off when it comes to taking a righteously furious fanbase and calming them down and getting them onside.

Well then, I guess the ball's on MOB's court.

:popcorn:

Quote from: Warthur;878276I don't think MOB needs anyone here to be Chaosium's armchair PR expert, and I certainly find the pearl-clutching some have displayed around here amusing given the depths people here regularly drag the discourse down to.

"People here" are anonymous nerds on the Internet. MOB's a company representative, and while I am by no means a "PR expert", I stand by my previous assessment. He's free to ignore it, of course.

But I still don't see online representatives from Blizzard accuse WoW doomsayers (and trust me, there's a ton of them) of "shit-stirring" when yet another "OMG WoW is dead" post rolls by. In fact, the day they do it is the day I might suspect WoW is indeed dead.

Quote from: Warthur;878270I'm not sure how much of that is down to Akrasia's whispering campaign...

I am not engaging in a "whispering campaign."  And I already apologized to you for sending that private message.

I did not reveal any information in that message. I merely wanted to convey privately my view on the matter, rather than muck this thread up further.

I very much regret this lapse of judgement.

EDIT: And as I point out in my later post, I have not been participating (in any form) in any discussions of the new RQ at any other forums (like BRPCentral or RPGnet).  To accuse me of being behind some kind of grand conspiracy is frankly delusional.

Quote from: The Butcher;878290But I still don't see online representatives from Blizzard accuse WoW doomsayers (and trust me, there's a ton of them) of "shit-stirring" when yet another "OMG WoW is dead" post rolls by. In fact, the day they do it is the day I might suspect WoW is indeed dead.

That may have more to do with the level of money* involved in games like WoW compared to games like - well pretty much every RPG ever. (Aside from the wild early 1980s D&D boom, nobody makes much money on RPGs.) In pen and paper RPGs good PR ability is probably more an accident of personality than it is a conscious business strategy by a company to recruit and pay people who are good at PR along with whatever else their day job consists of.


* I don't know the numbers, but I'm guessing WoW has revenue and profits between that are at least 2-3 orders of magnitude greater than those of Runequest.

Quote from: Bren;878296That may have more to do with the level of money* involved in games like WoW compared to games like - well pretty much every RPG ever.

Like I said upthread, I realize the hobby's a small pond, but professional is professional. All I see is a company rep losing his cool over a fan critic.

Quote from: The Butcher;878297Like I said upthread, I realize the hobby's a small pond, but professional is professional. All I see is a company rep losing his cool over a fan critic.

While I too would prefer to see a more professional interaction with even the more abrasive elements of the public, in life you tend to get what you pay for. So I don't expect five star food or service when I go to a one star restaurant. In even a moderate restaurant in Rome, waiters are professional, but in Rome (and much of Italy) being a waiter is a profession. So it should be no big surprise that professional waiters give more professional service than do the servers at most places (even fairly pricey places) in the US - where being a server is frequently something people do temporarily while they are waiting to do something else.

Quote from: Warthur;878276...I might have overstated the case. But given that he's done a blog post on the subject and then bothered to PM me about it he certainly seems keen to get the word out about this juicy Chaosium/TDM scandal that he can only hint at...

Yes, you definitely are overstating the case. :rolleyes:

I haven't participated in any recent threads at RPGnet or BRPCentral on RQ. So accusing me of fomenting trouble for Chaosium at those sites is ridiculous.

And my blog post (from two months ago) does not "hint at" any "scandal" at all. So I don't know where you're getting that.

This thread is the first time I've commented on RQ in two months.  I'm not leading any kind of "anti-Chaosium" conspiracy.