Quote from: Justin Alexander;871142You do realize that cutting the bit where I quoted you saying exactly that doesn't actually make it disappear from the post three inches above yours, right?

Since you can't quote where I claim Disney is only making Episode 7, an assertion you made, it's clear you've been caught in a lie and can't back up your claims.

QuoteYes. That's right. Your failure to distinguish between "production budget" and "total cost" is, in fact, one of the major reasons everything you've said here has been unmitigated bullshit.

Another lie on your part. I've shown that the distinction is bogus and arbitrary. Disney spent that money on the movie, whether it paid for the movie cameras, costumes, studio rentals, TV ads or junkets. You claim back-end percentages make up part of this extra $150 million. Prove it, asshole.

Or is this another claim you cant back up -which is to say another lie?

QuoteRemember the bit where I challenged you to demonstrate even the most basic understanding of how film budgets work? You have failed the challenge.

Nice try, moron. I've quoted sources that put the budget at $350 million. You've offered absolutely nothing to back up your claims. Given your track record as a liar and troll, it's easy to see why: You can't.

Concession accepted, fucktard.

Quote from: Bren;871186Also the minor character talking about how those kinds of superweapons always have some vulnerable weak point that can be attacked was cute. Classic lampshading.

During the prequels, especially Episode II, fans groused that any one of them could have written a better Star Wars movie than the guy who created Star Wars.  With Episode VII, JJ Abrams, the ultimate Star Wars fan, proved that opinion correct.


JG

If Episode II's script was exactly the same, the movie could have still been better if they would have had somebody like JJ Abrams who could have pulled some kind of performance out of the actors. Harrison Ford could have phoned it in for The Force Awakens, but JJ actually got one of his better performances from the last twenty years.

Quote from: Endless Flight;871473If Episode II's script was exactly the same, the movie could have still been better if they would have had somebody like JJ Abrams who could have pulled some kind of performance out of the actors. Harrison Ford could have phoned it in for The Force Awakens, but JJ actually got one of his better performances from the last twenty years.

Indeed.  And while Hayden Christensen was probably the worst actor of all time in Episode II, he'd done good work elsewhere.  And given that actors no less than Natalie Portman and Samuel L. Jackson (!) delivered flat performances in that movie, I really have to blame the director.

JG

From a business perspective I can hardly fault Disney or anyone else involved in the production. Their job is to print money via ticket sales and merchandising. But that doesn't negate the fact that it's a pretty mediocre movie--sure, a lot better than the prequels, maybe even better in some ways than RotJ. (Jedi suffered from too many parallel storylines in the last act.) But that's not saying much, is it?

It would probably be a little better if it wasn't a Star Wars film, or rather if the existence of the other movies didn't mean that it's (a) unoriginal and (b) often a clumsy fit for established theme and continuity. Not to mention it has internal problems similar to the Abrams Trek-verse. On the positive side, I did like the male lead (he's a good kid), the girl is okay, and yeah, the pilot is cool.

Having said that--I'm happy to have paid $6 for a matinee, and since my wife and I enjoyed the visuals, I'll try to get the 70mm IMAX showing not too far away.

Quote from: Elfdart;871244Since you can't quote

Huh. Apparently you actually believe that you can make the quote disappear by just wishing it to be so. That's... truly bizarre.

I mean, that level of self delusion dies a lot to explain all the other bullshit you've been posting, so it makes sense.

Quote from: Justin Alexander;871670Huh. Apparently you actually believe that you can make the quote disappear by just wishing it to be so. That's... truly bizarre.

I mean, that level of self delusion dies a lot to explain all the other bullshit you've been posting, so it makes sense.

So you admit you can't produce the quote or back up any of your other claims. You are such a lying little prick.

Guaranteed that it will pass Avatar for #1 all-time domestically tomorrow or Tuesday. It took 18-19 days to do what Avatar did in 238. Looks likely that it will end up around $900-950M after it's first run.

Finally saw it last night. Really enjoyed it. Definitely fit in with the originals and I found the characters a lot more enjoyable to follow than the prequel characters.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;871915Finally saw it last night. Really enjoyed it. Definitely fit in with the originals and I found the characters a lot more enjoyable to follow than the prequel characters.

Refreshing to see a main character who shows fear as well as doubt. But to be fair, Qui Gon Jinn was pretty likable (aside from his interest in that annoying slave-kid).

Quote from: Bren;871925Refreshing to see a main character who shows fear as well as doubt. But to be fair, Qui Gon Jinn was pretty likable (aside from his interest in that annoying slave-kid).

I was worried going in, but really these were the kinds of characters I was hoping to see.

Qui Gon Jinn didn't bother me in the first trilogy. I think Liam Neeson is always entertaining in movies.

The characters were infinitely better than the prequels. I was actively rooting for Rey and Fin, and really disliked Kylo.

Ewan McGregor did a really good job in the prequels. I'd love to see him do an Obi-Wan anthology movie. He recorded a few lines for The Force Awakens and he's always been up for playing Kenobi again. I've definitely read and heard that they were thinking of having ghosts return in this trilogy. I wouldn't be surprised if Hayden Christensen makes an appearance.

Quote from: Endless Flight;872016I wouldn't be surprised if Hayden Christensen makes an appearance.

NoooOooOoo!

Quote from: danbuter;872004The characters were infinitely better than the prequels. I was actively rooting for Rey and Fin, and really disliked Kylo.

With this, I liked both Finn and Rey as well. Also liked Kylo as well...There's a real big unresolved story here... Can Kylo atone for his sins, or is he forever doomed by the choices he made here?

Also, is this just me, or did Kylo come across with a petulant Gamergate hate-on for the non-Jedi ( i.e. ...Non-Geek Jedi) that populated this movie.