Quote from: Shipyard Locked;870843I kinda feel a hobby that already has enough negative stereotypes hanging off of it and its practitioners can ill-afford the "mouthbreathing fatso creepers getting each other off with fifth rate Playboy prose in a dank basement" stereotype (which I believe RPGs have mostly avoided to date).

I think haters are going to hate no matter what, and with that "Tongue Pad" anecdote as example, asshats who are bound and determined to be haters are going to find something -- anything! -- over which to scream outrage.  If we have to make them work hard at it, then they're all the more pissed off.

That being said, if we were honestly concerned over the hobby receiving negative stereotypes, we'd be a lot more hardnose about damn near every PC in history being a casual murderer.  Wouldn't we?

Quote from: Ravenswing;871150That being said, if we were honestly concerned over the hobby receiving negative stereotypes, we'd be a lot more hardnose about damn near every PC in history being a casual murderer.  Wouldn't we?

If the general public knew PCs were going about killing Orcus fundamentalists living in caves, many might view that as a positive stereotype.

Quote from: Ravenswing;871150I think haters are going to hate no matter what, and with that "Tongue Pad" anecdote as example, asshats who are bound and determined to be haters are going to find something -- anything! -- over which to scream outrage.  If we have to make them work hard at it, then they're all the more pissed off.

That being said, if we were honestly concerned over the hobby receiving negative stereotypes, we'd be a lot more hardnose about damn near every PC in history being a casual murderer.  Wouldn't we?

Pretty much yeah. Gamers are going to get slammed for being "fatso losers playing Let's Pretend" anyway. If some people have nothing better to than slam me and my players for having sex and romance in our games between flipping through Maxim, reading "50 Shades of Grey" or renewing their subscription to "Bignaturals.com" then screw 'em. I'm not going to restrict my harmless enjoyment based on what some (often hypocritical) assholes think.

I would have bought that SW supplement, if they'd just had the stones to issue a statement that simply and concisely said, "Fuck off".

I do not like eroticism in my gaming. I might like romance, but there generally isn't any interest.

In a way, it really is kinda like violence-- there's a lot of violence in my games, but it's all highly stylized and abstract, because I don't really want to dwell on the details.

Quote from: S'monI tend to have if anything less eroticism in the games with smoking hot female players (& my hot female GM hasn't had much of that stuff in her campaign).

Did you try wearing your synthetic hairy chest costume while playing a barbarian?

Eroticism is fine in RPG artwork, as long as its equally depicted between the sexes. For instance, this is about as erotic that ZWEIHÄNDER Grim & Perilous RPG gets:

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http://grimandperilous.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Class-Prostitute.jpg

While gaming, however, my personal preference is to "fade to black" for sexytime.

Quote from: Ravenswing;871150That being said, if we were honestly concerned over the hobby receiving negative stereotypes, we'd be a lot more hardnose about damn near every PC in history being a casual murderer.  Wouldn't we?

Casual murder in action movies has rarely earned them or their red-blooded man's man fans much opprobrium at all, so I don't see your point.

Quote from: Shipyard Locked;870843I kinda feel a hobby that already has enough negative stereotypes hanging off of it and its practitioners can ill-afford the "mouthbreathing fatso creepers getting each other off with fifth rate Playboy prose in a dank basement" stereotype (which I believe RPGs have mostly avoided to date). I certainly won't stop anyone else, but at my table there's an unspoken agreement against anything that would feel out of place in a mainstream 1950s movie.

Not this tired line - again?

The publics general view of gamers is that they are a bunch of puritanical prudes who have insane ideas of what "sexist" and "erotic" are.

When you have loons trotting this out as eroticist, sexist, misogynist, etc ad nudiumist. That is how RPGs can and are getting viewed.

Quote from: Starkus;871199Did you try wearing your synthetic hairy chest costume while playing a barbarian?

Funnily enough, no.

Quote from: Chainsaw;870856Generally not interested unless a) it's the lure of a trap and tastefully done (like The Frost-Giant's Daughter) or b) it's jokey at the inn in town and happens off screen ("my guy has twenty beers and tries to hook up with the wench," resolved as "did/didn't happen" by a d6 roll). I have zero interest in everyone at the table suffering some pervert's detailed sexual fantasies. Jerk off on your own time, creep.

That's how my groups have handled it as well. It's usually as follows:

"Ulfric will try to seduce the serving girl"

I do a quick estimate for difficulty based on relevant factors, roll the dice and apply the results.

"OK, she's up for it."

There's no acting it out. The very idea of doing so in a room full of >90% dudes -the other 10% being females whom I don't want to think of me as a perverted retard- is fucking disturbing.

Quote from: Willie the Duck;870870It's kind of like going to the strip club with your friends--I understand some people do so, but I don't get the appeal.

Because the strip club is last remaining place me and my buddies can watch a ballgame without being hassled by wives and girlfriends. It's worth paying for overpriced beer to avoid that!.

Quote from: Spinachcat;870944I wonder if its a Western mentality thing.

Yeah, because the non-western world is so enormously relaxed about sex. :rolleyes:

Considering the biggest selling book is 50 Shades of Gray I think we nerds are safe with eroticism.

Quote from: RPGPundit;871253Yeah, because the non-western world is so enormously relaxed about sex. :rolleyes:

To be fair, the U.S. seems to be REALLY up tight about it, though.  More so than most other countries.

Here's a legit question I have with the title of this post:

What is the full definition of 'eroticism'?

Are we talking simple imagery, like the naked princess about to be sacrificed to the dark God?  Actual out and out sex that everyone else is assuming?  'Risque' dress for the various PCs and NPCs? (I once played in a literally half-naked female Tiefling Warlock -she only wore boots and a set of metal plated leather pants- in the 4e Darksun Encounter's, she had a thing for male Muls, which one of the players was playing.  And the fact that I had my character come on to him, no actual sex, just interest from this buxom yet sleek sorceress, broke both the player and DM.  Took them completely off-guard.  It was glorious.)

What is it that is being used to define Eroticism?

Quote from: Snowman0147;871254Considering the biggest selling book is 50 Shades of Gray I think we nerds are safe with eroticism.

As long as Tywin Lannister reads it...