The baning place rpg.net so named because they ban people all the time for stupid shit

I wouldn't get a magnet in my finger but i have always liked the idea of getting some storage space installed in my thumb with a usb connector with a fake top of thumb as a cap. I would want the cut to be before above the joint so i would still have full movement of my thumb though. But i think thats as far as i would go unless i had lost a limb anyway

anti vaxers are idiots who refuse to let there children be vaccinated against serious dieseses because they stupidly think there children will get sick from the vaccine.

Also jeez i never realized kevin was so unhinged

Quote from: remial;827309D&D: have been told by many MANY people that if I am in a hack and slash game I'm playing the game wrong. One of these people who said that actually said "I've played Tekumel with Barker as GM, so I think I know what I'm talking about."  (I have since talked to people from that particular group who all said he was an idiot)

I gamed with Barker as GM (for over a decade) so I think I know what I'm talking about - and you are entirely correct!

The Professor could do hack-and-slash with the best of them, and those games were some of the very best we ever had with him. He'd get on a roll, and we'd be fighting for our lives - it'd be just as hack-and-slash as Dave Arneson's "Blackmoor"; Dave felt very strongly that if he hadn't killed off half the players in the first half hour of the game session, he'd failed as a GM.

Sure, Phil liked to do a lot of cultural stuff, but the adventures were the thing when we got started in the 1970s and through the 1980s. The heavy emphasis in the middle 1990s and very early 2000s on the 'Secret Insider Information' aspect and the 'Serious Cultural Immersion / Language Camp' aspects didn't have any traction with us; Phil, in my experience, was very much at home in his favorite genre of 'Sword-and-Planet Romance', where there was lots of swashbuckling and derring-do. (If you want to know what Phil was thinking, read the "Barsoom" novels.)

But then, people used to complain to the Professor that he was "doing Tekumel wrong", and he should really get a grip on what Tekumel was really all about...

And people wonder why I don't go to conventions, and call me a "secretive hermit"; Gary Con was the first convention (of any kind) I've been to and GM'd at in decades, and it was hugely enjoyable - very skilled, very mature players who gave me the fight of my life.

Quote from: remial;827309fan base.  well.
Vampire: prior to going to college I had read about the new (at the time) Vampire RPG that had come out, one of my friends knew some people who played it. So we went to the meeting, this was an initial meet up, before actual play started.  We chat and talk about our ideas for characters, and only one guy in the group has a copy of the rules, and is not letting anyone look at them.
then after about an hour or so he says, "ok sounds like a good group. let's do this." and we all agree.
then he pulls out a knife and bowl and says , now we are all going to cut our hands, bleed into a bowl, let the blood mix, and everyone takes a drink."
the only there wasn't a me shaped hole in the wall was because my friend got out before I did.

Sweet zombie Jebus...

Quote from: remial;827309D&D: have been told by many MANY people that if I am in a hack and slash game I'm playing the game wrong. One of these people who said that actually said "I've played Tekumel with Barker as GM, so I think I know what I'm talking about."  (I have since talked to people from that particular group who all said he was an idiot)

I think you are playing it right. And that's why I don't have much interest in D&D.

On a semi-related note, which fanbases are most and least likely to overlap with the aggressive SJW contingent that has such a voice at TBP?

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;828149On a semi-related note, which fanbases are most and least likely to overlap with the aggressive SJW contingent that has such a voice at TBP?

Blue Rose fans?

Exalted fans and often Storyteller fans over all.

Yes. It's a big reason why I GM. I mean I love Mage the Awakening but the fan base and Onyx Path...not so much.

Quote from: Opaopajr;826114Sounds like they did something very wrong. But the Con sounds like it was all over the place and non-committal. Also, something about lots of heavy black and/or latex in Atlanta humidity just sounds... unappealing.

However plenty of goths are still around in the SF Bay Area. The "elders" (snort!) are retiring to gingerbread Victorians and having children, a la Addams Family. But then the weather is so much more accommodating, too.

And San Francisco definitely knows a thing or two about 'cool/sexy/freaky' (like don't have a Con like that in the first place, do an exotica-erotica ball instead). Maybe Atlanta just had way too many ingénue flooding in trying too hard. I mean, it was next to a comic convention!

I miss the Erotic/Exotic Ball. I didn't know you live in San Francisco. That's were I was born and my hometown. Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia has a strong goth movement also. You may have something in thinking the weather accommodates it quite nicely.

Hoo boy, I was hoping to not get into this again, but...

Quote from: Omega;825076The 3e fans did not turn into the online rabid pack the 4e ones did.

Yes they did.  What do you think the whole Pathfinder deal was?  Paizo got kicked out of the D&D clubhouse when their contract with Dragon and Dungeon was up (so the fans of the time said) and so they decided to reprint the 3.x stuff and rename it Pathfinder.

The amount of people praising this move, even so far as yes, calling it 'The Second Coming of D&D'.  Seriously, there were fans who said this.  This was months before anything about the 4e system was ever detailed.  No one knew what 4e was going to be.  And yet, there were cries ans screams about how it would suck, and at least Paizo was there to 'save' D&D and other such nonsense.

So yes, both 3e and 4e fans were EQUALLY as bad as the other.  


Here's something though, I'm pretty sure everyone hear has actually experienced to some degree what Nexus described.  Especially with D&D over the years.

I mean, we ALL know about how 'stupid' Paladins are right?  How they're ALL self-righteous game breakers with Lawful-Stupid alignments?  Or how all Kender characters turn players into party breaking, friendship destroying kleptomaniacs?

Stories like these and now with the advent of the internet, seep into gamer consciousness, and sometimes it only affects a small part of the game, but it informs the gamer's perception of it.  Like the aforementioned Paladin/Stick In The Mud perception, everyone has these stories, sometimes they even played with people who played it like that.  But how much of that was them, or them playing the class in a way that was 'expected'.

The turn off of games is just a wider, harder incident of these little anecdotes.

For me, it was anything Diceless (namely Amber) or White Wolf.  It was hard living with roommates who were so pretentious, and unwilling to consider anything outside of their little scope.  The fact that they used the rules against people they didn't like (Lucky for me, I was never in any of their games.)  Still, mental association is a powerful thing.

Its really not fair to say that pathfinder just reprinted the rules there was far to much changed

BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY IS A LIE.

Quote from: tuypo1;828237Its really not fair to say that pathfinder just reprinted the rules there was far to much changed

BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY IS A LIE.

A fair point, but a lot of the core systems were just reprinted.  Before they corrected it, for example, the (Tasha's) Hideous Laughter used to be confusing because they had kept the old wording, and added a chunk about how to resist it.

It needed reworking, and it took a couple of printings to do so, but they did it.

To be totally fair, the more they add to the system (as in source books), the more they change the system from it's base roots.  In fact, there's a lot of 4e in Pathfinder now.  Not in terms of actual power structure, but ideas that 4e tried to put forth in it's tenure.

Hero system community (online).

Two types: highly geeky, UNIX admin types who are helpful and friendly, and highly geeky UNIX admin types who are rude and unfriendly. The first type are great to sort out your rules problems or whatever, but there's no discussion of actual gameplay or cool stuff apart from rules minutiae. The second type are quite prominent.

Back in the day I played Hero as a fun game that was maybe a little rulesy. These days I wonder if anyone still plays it with the rules more-or-less in the background.

I realized the other day what it is exactly that upsets me so much about Pathfinder.

it isn't the rehash of older material and the claim that it is 'innovative' but that is part of it.

it isn't the fan base, who, if you point out a legitimate flaw in the system tend to attack you like a rabid animal.  (I was banned from a chat room after asking for rules clarification on one such flaw, official reason was 'trolling')

it is that Paizo is pulling the same shit that TSR did back in the 80s before their collapse.

Example. The local Barnes and Noble has about 12 feet of shelf space for RPGs, down from 48 feet as little as 5 years ago.
on its shelves are 1 copy of Edge of the Empire, 1 copy of Only War for W40K, 1 copy each of the reprint of the 1st ed AD&D books, and 1 copy of the Shadowrun 5th ed core book.    then there is 3 copies of the 5th ed D&D player's guide, 4 of the DMG and 2 of the monster book, and 1 copy of the 2 adventure books (we don't have princes of the apocalypse yet). and 3 copies of the book Of Dice and Men
that is about 1.5 feet- 2 feet of shelf space there. the rest is all pathfinder.
when I've ordered other books from them and asked if they would have any other copies, I've been told that they don't have the room.

on an aside, you have no idea how difficult it is for me not to comment on TBP's thread about the Extreme leftist villain organization to just say "if you really want a good example, check out the ops here on TBP"

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;828149On a semi-related note, which fanbases are most and least likely to overlap with the aggressive SJW contingent that has such a voice at TBP?

Blue Rose, storygames, Storyteller games, but 1st and foremost, *World games.