Quote from: Nexus;825359Exalted is basically pushed as some kind of "Anti D and D" higher order game. Rarely does a thread go by without someone, either a fan or a developer taking a pot shot at D and D.

Which makes the title its earned around here all the funnier.

"Exalted: Dungeons and Dragons for people that think they're too good for Dungeons and Dragons."

Yup.  The fact that you're godlings squaring off against powerful spirits who can smack you down with a single eyebrow twitch is no different from scrappy 3-hp-having fighters, magic-users and clerics of OD&D squaring off against orcs who can smack you down equally as easily.

It's a matter of scale, really.  You sure can go buy a BMW and I a Honda but at the end of the day we've both gotta buy gas and oil for it, and drive on the same roads.

I'm not even a huge D and D fan (the game seem fine just not my cup of tea) but the incessant pissing on is annoying it. It sounds petulant and jealous more than anything. And misinformed to boot.

I would have played Exalted if it had been even remotely the type of game the fandom at TBP describes it as.  But the simple truth is that it's nothing like that and clunky as fuck to boot.

However, the Exalted fandom at TBP did convince me that I never wanted to have any dealings with the Exalted fandom in general.

Does anyone have a link to that "Evolve your game" ad?

Morbid curiosity.

Quote from: Gabriel2;825372I would have played Exalted if it had been even remotely the type of game the fandom at TBP describes it as.  But the simple truth is that it's nothing like that and clunky as fuck to boot.

However, the Exalted fandom at TBP did convince me that I never wanted to have any dealings with the Exalted fandom in general.

Exalted is and has always been meant to be so many damn things who can tell anymore? I've given up trying and I just hope the rules can do the game i want. Though at this point its a strain to plow into that phone book they've created to find out.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;825356Yes they were.

I think a lot of people were offended. I don't, however,  believe the makers of the video intended to insult the fans of previous editions. It pointed out some rather glaring elements from each of the previous editions that were considered odd, bad, or otherwise hindered the game. 3e's grappling system,  the example used in the video, was precisely spot on and a VERY significant reason why grappling was never really used in the game (from my experience anyways).

Of course it turned out to be a bad video and angered a lot of fans. People didn't get the tongue-in-cheek vibe and considered it an all-out attack on their preferred system. So not a great way to start out a brand new edition IMO.

Quote from: Nexus;823976I have to admit this has happened to me a few times. I was interested in the game but nature of its fans and community were just too irritating to deal with so I avoided getting into it.

I wouldn't say the fanbase of a game was irritating so much as I realized they all had a different understanding of, or interest in, the game than I did. That I was the odd man out, and was always going to be. And that I was probably never going to find like minded people to play it with. For me it usually happens after I get into the game and internalize it, and realize my philosophy is out of step with the rest of the world.

Now, web communities are a different matter. In the last few days I finally had my fill of another well-known RPG site, and landed here. Nothing to do with any particular game though.

I haven't had any really bad experiences with a game's fans but I have encountered players who have put me off.

Though I suspect that there have been individuals who have found the same about me (many are probably guilty of this). I had two games with a Traveller GM who was very interested in having his game his way and didn't appreciate my playing my character, though I suspect that was on him.

My fiancee felt the way of the original question about my original Traveller group, though it was mostly due to one of the other players having very strong political feelings (another member of that group felt that way too).

I have to say, I do find the entire premise of this thread to be rather weird. I can understand a dickish fanbase putting you off interacting with that fanbase. But what difference does it make to your ability to enjoy the game itself by association?

Quote from: Kiero;825673I have to say, I do find the entire premise of this thread to be rather weird. I can understand a dickish fanbase putting you off interacting with that fanbase. But what difference does it make to your ability to enjoy the game itself by association?

I believe it has more to do with the potential pool of players and bumping into those fans that annoy you. Also, supporting the game and then being associated with people who behave in a way that you disapprove of.

Eh, annoying people who are overzealous about something can definitely turn people off of things.

In the 90s, I didn't really watch TV, but I got soooo sick of hearing about the X-Files that I developed a real aversion to the show, without ever having watched it.

Of course, the first episode I did watch involved immortal sex-changing sex-addict pheromone producing Amish vampires from space, so there's that.

Quote from: Kiero;825673I have to say, I do find the entire premise of this thread to be rather weird. I can understand a dickish fanbase putting you off interacting with that fanbase. But what difference does it make to your ability to enjoy the game itself by association?

I think there's an element of "battered spouse syndrome" involved, if you identify too strongly with a community or a game, only to realize later that you're involved with a bunch of abusive tools. In my case, leaving the community was a way to stop letting the so-called "fans" defined how I did my gaming, what was "right" and what was "badwrongfun." Abandoning the entire scene, striking out on my own, and writing an original setting myself was the best damn thing I ever did.

I think actually part of what put me off Exalted 2E was reading the endless criticism of it online. I was having fun with my group until I started letting the internet infect my headspace.

I'm not saying the game is perfect or anything - just that the problems with many RPGs are not seen by all groups. If you're having fun with a game that the internet has issues with, don't read the internet.

Quote from: Kiero;825673I have to say, I do find the entire premise of this thread to be rather weird. I can understand a dickish fanbase putting you off interacting with that fanbase. But what difference does it make to your ability to enjoy the game itself by association?

Once upon a time (sometime between the age of the dinosaurs and the invention of the world wide web) there were only a handful of RPGs to play. One could play all the RPGs around to give them a try. Now there are really too many games to play all of them and try them out. So most people use some filtering method. One filtering method is the "well if that asshole likes it, I'll avoid it" filter. Not to say that's the best filter to use, but it is a filter.

Quote from: Kiero;825673I have to say, I do find the entire premise of this thread to be rather weird. I can understand a dickish fanbase putting you off interacting with that fanbase. But what difference does it make to your ability to enjoy the game itself by association?

Part of it for some is likely wanting to participate in a community. And then running into the worst of them. Or in the worse case scenario. These people have taken over the community. I have personally seen that happen more than a few times now and it is never pleasant and it can and for some does have a distinct dulling effect.

Others just divorce themselves totally from the community and keep on playing.

Bren in the post above makes another good point for why. As a filter.

And as I pointed out upthread. In the worst of worst case scenarios, these pricks somehow either influence the game, or actually gain control of it with their "vision".

Everyone has a different breaking point where for one reason or another it goes from "So they are jerks? I'll keep playing without them" to "They are scum and I never want to see this product again!"

Bemusingly. Quite a few gravitate back to whatever they quit after a time away. The call is subtle and seductive. Not so bemusingly. Some times we return and find that things have actually gotten worse in the meantime.