Anything with 'D&D' on its cover that's not utter crap and/or horribly mismanaged should have plenty of staying power.

Quote from: jeff37923;821352You really should stop giving a fuck about that place.

Perspective: you're talkiing to someone who just declared that YDIS is Literally Worse Than (neo-)Nazis.

Quote from: RunningLaser;821329If they stick to their guns about not releasing rules bloat, but instead keep a good flow of solid adventures, settings and such, I think 5th has a good chance of going past 5-6 years.  Who knows though- all it takes is the leader of the board room to decide they want a new edition and that's that.

I strongly suspect that this will be highly dependent on whether Mike Mearls and his bosses are good at fighting and dealing with company "politics" within WotC and at Hasbro.

(ie. If Mike Mearls and/or his bosses are fired, then anything can happen).

Wasn't one of the stated plans for 5e that they were going to release a simpler core that would appeal to fans of earlier editions, and then later release rules options that you can tack on if you want something closer to a 3e or 4e experience? I know I saw a lot of people talking about modularity and expandability early on in the 5e development cycle. So shouldn't they wait until the supplement(s) are released and see how well it actually accomplishes that goal before making any predictions?

Well one things for certain- 5e players won't have to worry about WoTC turning off their character builder at some point:)

I wouldn't sweat it.  There's folks still playing od&d, ad&d, ad&d2e, basic d&d, 3rd ed, ect.  There's so much old material out there, and from what I gather, easy to covert, who cares if it goes the distance or not?

I can only speak for myself, but I think 5E is probably the peak for me. I could be wrong, and maybe they'll find a way to make a 6E that fetches my slippers, bakes lasagna and gives blow jobs on demand, but, short of that, I'm done.

Quote from: Saplatt;821369I can only speak for myself, but I think 5E is probably the peak for me. I could be wrong, and maybe they'll find a way to make a 6E that fetches my slippers, bakes lasagna and gives blow jobs on demand, but, short of that, I'm done.

From a different perspective, personally 4E was the "peak" for me.

So far for 5E, I haven't found any local groups that I'm willing to play weekly games with.  (ie. Nights which I'm not available, players whom I've had previous bad experiences with, etc ...).

So I have largely held off on buying any 5E books.  No point in buying any 5E books, when I'm not playing in any weekly 5E games.

This is essentially two questions:

1. Does the material withstand vigorous play (without breaking down irrevocably and needing continual errata patches)?

Yes, for the most part it does. The sheer frustration of the char-op crowd to find "teh brokken" means that, even if it is in there, it takes a lot more system expertise effort and is a lot more isolated (and thus campaign expunge-able) than before. The GM being free, nay encouraged, to tinker and tweak the "maths" as they see fit — because there's no delicate formula in the balance, and thus why I am very cool with the lack of NPC build guidelines — removes the debate from design fine tuning to GM campaign judgment.

The shared public game language has been given license to table dialects and slangs again. If it doesn't fit your group needs, here's some guidelines to mess with it until it gets there. That mental shift alone ensures longevity.

2. Will WotC, actually just Hasbro, give a shit and hold to realistic expectations, turning their real attention to cross-product brand licensing?

I have far little faith in the corporation itself. That said they've already started with Dice Masters, continued their MMO support, and are cross-pollinating their comics and such with new recognizable entities. ... so maybe there's hope.

No...and it doesn't matter if the game is any good.

WotC needs to sell books, nothing sells like core books.

6e is coming GenCon 2020.

To butcher Bob Dylan, if an edition isn't busying being playtested, its busy dying.

Quote from: jeff37923;821351I shall pray to the Agnostic God that nothing horrible happens while you conduct this gaming experiment.

It's fine, he's already playing in my Pathfinder campaign. I only got in trouble after I accepted his Facebook Friend request and he saw me advocating Classical Liberal Lockean 'Natural Rights' over modern Progressive 'Human Rights': The US Founding Fathers liked Natural Rights. The Founding Fathers owned slaves. Ergo (I think the implication was) Natural Rights are Racist.

Since I got 5E, I managed to get 5 players together for gaming sessions.
of those players, 2 of them had never played RPGs before and loved 5E.

One of those players is also now playing CoC on a different night with a different GM and loves that too.

So I DO think 5E is a great gateway RPG at the very least and people who start on it , will probably stick with it for years, as they will have good memories of RPGs with it.

Also, it's easy to learn and teach. Combat is super easy.
The new player this weekend, picked it up very easily and was having a blast.

The rules are just "Good enough" and very moddable anyway if they're not QUITE a fit to your needs.
We've adopted some optional rules which make it closer to what we're looking for (ones suggested in the DMG and PHB).

All in all, if WotC DID want to make it an evergreen product, I would be into that.

If they DID come out with a new DnD in 5 years or whatever, well I'd probably check it out and if it was an improvement, I'd probably buy it and use it.
I never bothered with  DnD 3, 3.5 or 4th edition, so I don't just buy DnD coz it's DnD.
 
So if a 6th Ed was not to my tastes, I could happily stick with 5E with even the material that's available for it now. I don't really NEED anything else.

Still, I'd buy a Greyhawk setting for 5E and however many Monsters manuals they'll release. Plus a Deities and demigods and other stuff, but only as really this is a super cheap hobby, so spending $50 on a book every few months is a bargain and those books would be fun just to read.

The absolute glacial pace of supplements and very thin release schedule are fantastic signs for the RPG.

D&D is finally being treated like a top tear IP.

Attack Wing
Dice masters
Various board games
Miniature lines
Etc...

All those getting he lions share of love and attention means that D&D will finally have a chance to just be an RPG without having to also be WOTCs cash cow.

The less "development", the less "support", the less "new, new, new!" The better.

With any luck WOTC will forget about the RPG except for the occasional reprint and the rare new product when the whim strikes them.

I don't hate 5e, that's the first edition since first that I could say that of.  But I'm afraid it probably won't get the type of support it needs to be evergreen.  But that's because it needs a high grade series of movies or a long running television show not another splat book or another series of badly painted minis.

Quote from: The_Shadow;821333My guess is it depends if Hasbro can keep the pressure off the tabletop game for huge revenue generation, and instead get serious about other D&D-branded items rather than just a handful of books.

A series of 3 hardcovers, a few adventures (which have never been massive sources of profit) and occasional other products cannot sustain a huge business division, and with endless splats and frequent reboots wearing thin...far better to keep a small evergreen range and concentrate on completely new complementary lines like video games.

i have never understood the idea of splatbook bloat how could a new splat ever be a bad thing as long as the content is good

new spells new weapons new monsters new items so much new stuff

and stuff is always good

Quote from: jeff37923;821352You really should stop giving a fuck about that place.

its vigilence if we stop the war on rpg.net then they can start to amass power unchecked

Quote from: S'mon;821392It's fine, he's already playing in my Pathfinder campaign. I only got in trouble after I accepted his Facebook Friend request and he saw me advocating Classical Liberal Lockean 'Natural Rights' over modern Progressive 'Human Rights': The US Founding Fathers liked Natural Rights. The Founding Fathers owned slaves. Ergo (I think the implication was) Natural Rights are Racist.

your a better man then i