Quote from: Snowman0147;812666Groups of mortals posing a threat to beginning solars is okay.  Mortals doing sneaky back stabby, or political changing things that can fuck solars late in the game is fine.  I just have a issue that a single mere mortal poses a deadly threat to a solar as it destroys the fluff about solars.

Yep. I find the idea that one of my characters that I've played for nearly 10 yrs at this point and has triple digit exp invested in martial arts and related combat abilities including a suite of custom charms and is approaching Essence 5 should still have to worry about a fight with the champion of the local mortal dojo kind of ridiculous.

Quote from: DisgruntleFairy;812659Not to mention that the world of Exalted is BIG really really big. Bigger than the real world which is itself MASSIVE far bigger than most people are really able to conceptualize.

Yeah, Exalts are pretty thin on the ground (wasn't that one of the complaints about making them the primary opposition?) and have their own shit to do to go around randomly picking on hapless mortals.  And any mortal ruler that doesn't form an army or some sort of defense because he thinks some being (which are semi mythological to many) is just going to come and kill them all is a patently goofy idea based on thinking of the world as if everyone in it has both read the rule book and consciously knows they're characters in a role playing game.

Quote from: Brand55;812660The responses about limiting the power of the Exalted just makes me even more convinced that it was a good thing I couldn't back the Kickstarter. I have lots of games on my shelf that let me play people a bit above the norm. Exalted doesn't need to be another of those.

This is what really disappoints me too. I've played "slightly better than average" Joes quite a bit and, frankly there are better systems with less baggage to do so so I'm not seeing the selling point for Exalted as one of those.

This edition will be the last edition of Exalted.  I know that is my personal opinion, but I am not lying here either.  The fact that game is taking so long to be made is bad enough.  They never kept their promises to streamlined the system and make it easier tells me I should stick to earlier editions.  The fact they made it possible for a single mortal to kick a Solar exalted ass kills the only point to playing Exalted.

This is not brilliant work.  In fact this is worst than second edition because as clunky as that system is they at least got the point in why your playing Exalted.  This is too much of a power down.  I was hoping for no more cheap perfect defenses, flurries, and instant death combos.  I wasn't expecting nameless mortal killing off a solar exalted as if they are equals in battle.

I like a good hit of Schadenfreude as much as anyone but I'm really sure Exalted 3 will bomb. Due to the success of the Kickstarter it already has a big leg up and there are (or appear to be) allot of people that are seriously invested in this edition and loving practically every words the Developers say. People like myself appear to outliers and cranks (relatively) as far as those that still give a shit about Exalted one way or the other go.

Also all my requests of a refund have been ignored. They could at least tell me, "No, STFU! LOL" or something.

Quote from: Snowman0147;812721This edition will be the last edition of Exalted.  I know that is my personal opinion, but I am not lying here either.

Shit, I wouldn't be surprised if 2e turns out to be the last edition.

This game will never recover from the damage done by its fandom over at the WW boards and RPGnet.

Pity. I like Exalted's premise and setting.

Quote from: fellowhoodlum;812799Also all my requests of a refund have been ignored. They could at least tell me, "No, STFU! LOL" or something.

Yeah, they've it abundantly (and someone smugly) clear that that ship sailed a long time ago. I've never felt comfortable with the KS concept and consider the Exalted development good evidence of why. That they seem to, while not directly encouraging, allow the belief the fester that the KS was for a 3rd edition at all and not just for fancy add ons seems a little shady

Quote from: The Butcher;812805Shit, I wouldn't be surprised if 2e turns out to be the last edition.

This game will never recover from the damage done by its fandom over at the WW boards and RPGnet.

Pity. I like Exalted's premise and setting.

I'm really not sure. The fanbase is so rabid. I guess the real proof will be the reaction to the system when it comes out. Whenever that will be.

Quote from: Nexus;812831I'm really not sure. The fanbase is so rabid. I guess the real proof will be the reaction to the system when it comes out. Whenever that will be.

You mean the same fan base that admitted they really don't want to play role playing games?

Quote from: Snowman0147;812842You mean the same fan base that admitted they really don't want to play role playing games?

I'd missed that little chestnut. When did it come up?

A year, or a half ago I think.  There was this post at rpg.net about some person admitting to the fact and only used rpgs as means to make novels.  Then there was this big hug fest in that site.

Quote from: Nexus;812831I'm really not sure. The fanbase is so rabid. I guess the real proof will be the reaction to the system when it comes out. Whenever that will be.

Ex3 will sell in huge numbers, and it will be hated, and the fan base will devour itself over split hairs and rules interpretations.

And that's assuming it's an actually good a playable game, mind you.

Exalted will do fine because of its rabid fans and the fact it basically has one of the primary rpg forums completely in its corner. Lots of people will gush over the new system (just as they initially did when 2nd edition was new), and any critics will have to walk a fine line to keep from bringing the mods down on their heads. I remember well how Holden and some others attacked those who criticized Return of the Scarlet Empress, and that was before basically everyone working on Exalted 3rd became a moderator.

Whether or not there's ever another edition is something I don't think anyone can guess at right now. There definitely won't be one anytime soon, but in ten years? There's no telling who will even own Exalted by then.

Quote from: Brand55;812893Exalted will do fine because of its rabid fans and the fact it basically has one of the primary rpg forums completely in its corner. Lots of people will gush over the new system (just as they initially did when 2nd edition was new), and any critics will have to walk a fine line to keep from bringing the mods down on their heads. I remember well how Holden and some others attacked those who criticized Return of the Scarlet Empress, and that was before basically everyone working on Exalted 3rd became a moderator.

And of course, they both ridicule that book as crap now and no one seems to remember. Like any of their flip flops over the course of the book. Hell, isn't Holden one of the "Ink Monkeys" some of the biggest contributors to the technomagic "Rpg.net Exalted" flavor they're not rolling their eyes about?

QuoteWhether or not there's ever another edition is something I don't think anyone can guess at right now. There definitely won't be one anytime soon, but in ten years? There's no telling who will even own Exalted by then.

I'll be curious to see what Exalted will "supposed to have been all along' by then.

Well, Nexus, going by the playtest combat you posted in the other thread, it seems like this is going to be 2nd Edition Exalted with a few changes in the terminology.

Which I already have. Which is a giant pain in the ass to run.

Quote from: Nexus;812899And of course, they both ridicule that book as crap now and no one seems to remember. Like any of their flip flops over the course of the book. Hell, isn't Holden one of the "Ink Monkeys" some of the biggest contributors to the technomagic "Rpg.net Exalted" flavor they're not rolling their eyes about?

I know Holden did work on RotSE and the Alchemical stuff, but my group was losing interest by late 2E so I can't really say what all he contributed. I just know I downloaded the Scroll of Errata in the hope it would fix the game and make it playable again, and when I saw just how freakin' huge the fixes were it made me swear off the baseline system.

I'd love to do another Exalted game sometime, but if I do it will be with Qwixalted or a modified Scarlet Heroes, or possibly my own expanded version of the original Quickstart.

Quote from: Nexus;812899I'll be curious to see what Exalted will "supposed to have been all along' by then.

Funnily enough, I've recently started reading my 1E stuff again. Almost immediately I found this little gem:

Quote from: Exalted 1E Core page 21High and Low
The life of one of the Solar Exalted is a whirl of cataclysmic ups and downs. Suddenly, an individual who was merely gifted is Exalted to tremendous stature. The Chosen are unaging and of unfailing health. They possess tremendous physical stamina and can quickly heal from even the most grievous wounds. In all things, they are excellent, and in that which they favor, they are unexcelled. No mortal could hope to best one in combat, and the Solars may challenge the mettle of the Celestial Exalted or bring the tyrannical Realm to its knees. In these individuals is the power to change history and remake the world.

Emphasis mine. I know the paragraph is a bit grandiose, but it's talking about relatively new Solars. It seems pretty clear to me that, regardless of what quotes one can dig up, the original intention of the game was for the Exalted not to be threatened by one or two mortals, even very skilled ones.

Quote from: Brand55;812908Emphasis mine. I know the paragraph is a bit grandiose, but it's talking about relatively new Solars. It seems pretty clear to me that, regardless of what quotes one can dig up, the original intention of the game was for the Exalted not to be threatened by one or two mortals, even very skilled ones.

Yeah. If that was pure hype, it was irresponsible hype. Hell, I remember people complaining about Solars not being strong enough back in those days.

If they're changing the style of the game, fine but don't tell me that's what its always been and I'm doing it wrong.