Well, you're out of luck, Snowman. They do do (no pun intended ) the new Scion.

BUT: It's not the same Dev. Team. So there is still a chance Scion 2 will not be the same  overwrought SJW BS that Exalted turned into.

Quote from: Nexus;786648I haven't liked the direction Exalted has been going in since early 2ed. Its been becoming some kind of soapbox for the writers to lecture on the evils of whatever their particular socio economic or political hobgoblins are and less about legendary badasses and heroes doing epic and even Over the Top shit with a definite anime flavor which is now a playstyle treated with patronizing attitude and mild contempt ("Rpg.net Exalted").

And a setting meant to be neutral gray as far as innate morality (and I freely admit I largely ignored that aspect. I like my role playing more upbeat) is becoming a typical "White Wolf' Crapsack World where everything you do is "Doomed I tell you, Doom! Oh the Angst, Oh the Mature Gaming!" That's why its funny to see the game get hoisted by the SJW banner it so proudly flies these days.

This. Totally this. Ignoring my issues with the system (which are many), the overarching hand-wringing going on with the WW authors over their remaining hot-seller made me sick to death of the line. It's like somewhere long after Vampire's heyday, they lost sight of what made those products GOOD, and focused instead on their artistic integrity in their tiny niche product.

I'm all for writers making some statements in RPGs. Go for it, you're a writer, use your position to make a few points. Just makes sure what remains is a very gameable game for the people who buy the product in trust. It's still why I prefer using 1st edition Exalted over all the later entries - I can port the setting out of the mess of the Adventure/Aberrant/Trinity system into another game, but the actual quality of the setting shone through in that work.

But the current direction of the game line just confuses and irritates me. Exalted seems to have devolved to "choices" like "eat this baby or the world dies". Or, "you saw too many peasants injured, so now you lash out in a moral rage and cause just as much damage", with lots of ironic tones and accents given to make it seem like it's something other than a half-assed rehash of the same damned Humanity / Frenzy system they've been using since V:tM 1st edition.

Quote from: Snowman0147;807512You know what is sad?  That isn't so far from the truth.  Some one should convince CCP to sell the IPs they own so Onyx Path won't touch it.  Seriously look at what they done to Exalted.  It used to be heroes who are chosen of the gods doing major things in the world and now even F.A.T.A.L. is laughing at Exalted in its grave.  Thanks Onyx Path you fucking ruined Exalted.  Please do not touch Scion because you done enough.

Well, on the Scion front, CCP *did* sell the IP.

They sold it to us. It's one of the games we own rather than license from them.

Among other things, it means that Scion's new edition won't use Storyteller.

Quote from: DaveB;807771They sold it to us. It's one of the games we own rather than license from them.

So who are you?

Quote from: DaveB;807771Among other things, it means that Scion's new edition won't use Storyteller.

There are several reasons for me to check out Scion 2ed. This is about three of them.

Quote from: Bren;807773So who are you?

Oh, the "us" meant "Onyx Path."

I'm Dave Brookshaw, the Mage: The Awakening Developer. I've been working on the new system (which Scion and Trinity, the two games Onyx Path bought rather than licensed, will use) for months. Other than I think one freelancer the new system and Exalted have no personnel in common.

Quote from: DaveB;807780Oh, the "us" meant "Onyx Path."

I'm Dave Brookshaw, the Mage: The Awakening Developer. I've been working on the new system (which Scion and Trinity, the two games Onyx Path bought rather than licensed, will use) for months. Other than I think one freelancer the new system and Exalted have no personnel in common.

I had no clue. Thanks for clarifying.

I have no idea what Exalted is and what's different in the third edition. Can someone give me a short summary of the changes?

Quote from: DaveB;807780Oh, the "us" meant "Onyx Path."

I'm Dave Brookshaw, the Mage: The Awakening Developer. I've been working on the new system (which Scion and Trinity, the two games Onyx Path bought rather than licensed, will use) for months. Other than I think one freelancer the new system and Exalted have no personnel in common.

   I do get the strong impression that the Exalted team is not the cWoD team is not the nWoD team, but I only pay the faintest attention to WW/OP discussions out of general curiosity. How accurate are these impressions?

Okay the fact your not using storyteller means I going to give you a chance on that.  If you go the same route that Exalted went through though you won't get me as a customer.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;807795I do get the strong impression that the Exalted team is not the cWoD team is not the nWoD team, but I only pay the faintest attention to WW/OP discussions out of general curiosity. How accurate are these impressions?

The gamelines share a lot of freelancers, with Exalted as the notable exception. Neall Raemonn Price, for example, is writing part of Awakening 2E's core for me, the Orpheus chapter of Wraith 20th, and is also on the team building the in-house rules system for the owned properties. Stew Wilson is the Developer for both versions of Werewolf.

Exalted's just been in the place where its team were working flat-out on it and only it for years. I expect Holden will start writing WoD books once Exalted finally comes out - he did parts of Werewolf20 if I recall correctly.

Scion/Trinity's shared core rules will be going up for public playtesting soon - that is, the dice mechanics, combat system and such, not the layers both games put over it.

Quote from: Snowman0147;807805Okay the fact your not using storyteller means I going to give you a chance on that.  If you go the same route that Exalted went through though you won't get me as a customer.

Having actual playtrsting materials is the selling point to me. I cannot justify buying a product sight unseen, considering the state of the previous one.

Regarding the power level issue. The developers really seem to go back and fourth on it, waffling as fan opinion sways in the wind. When "over powered Solars" were a big sticking point it was all about how they were being toned down, now they've been backing off on that.

The most recent statement related to the subject... well take it as you will.

Quote from: Holden;18616913This is broadly correct. Fighting in EX2 and to a lesser degree in EX1 was largely an exercise in using magic to banish tactical considerations, then using more magic to whomp hard. Then he who had no weaknesses and could whomp hardest won. (In 1e this meant Solars and Sids usually won, since they could most effectively get rid of their weaknesses before measuring whomp-sticks. In 2e Solars were the clear winner, since they could banish all tactical considerations trivially and completely, then whomp way harder than anyone else.)

Fighting in EX3 doesn't work that way. Tactics remain important at all levels, although you can use whomping power to compensate for bad or sloppy tactics when there's a sufficient power gap-- i.e. a Solar can afford to sloppily steamroll a mortal if he's willing to burn Essence like a drunken sailor, but only if he's willing to do that-- if he tries to conserve his power, he'd better fight smart. If he's fighting something that can hit dangerously hard or marshal big pools, he'd better fight seriously every time, because good tactics can beat sheer power in EX3, especially in group fights.

Quote from: Coffee Zombie;807761This. Totally this. Ignoring my issues with the system (which are many), the overarching hand-wringing going on with the WW authors over their remaining hot-seller made me sick to death of the line. It's like somewhere long after Vampire's heyday, they lost sight of what made those products GOOD, and focused instead on their artistic integrity in their tiny niche product.

I'm all for writers making some statements in RPGs. Go for it, you're a writer, use your position to make a few points. Just makes sure what remains is a very gameable game for the people who buy the product in trust. It's still why I prefer using 1st edition Exalted over all the later entries - I can port the setting out of the mess of the Adventure/Aberrant/Trinity system into another game, but the actual quality of the setting shone through in that work.

But the current direction of the game line just confuses and irritates me. Exalted seems to have devolved to "choices" like "eat this baby or the world dies". Or, "you saw too many peasants injured, so now you lash out in a moral rage and cause just as much damage", with lots of ironic tones and accents given to make it seem like it's something other than a half-assed rehash of the same damned Humanity / Frenzy system they've been using since V:tM 1st edition.

Fact 1: Exalted are mammals.
Fact 2: Exalted fight ALL the time.
Fact 3: The purpose of the Exalted is to flip out and kill people.

JG

The Exalted team really should have dedicated just one person to address the public (StephenLs is the best one for the job, IMO. He can be as snarky and passive aggressive as any of them but seems to keep it in check more). But the times when the developer answer contradict each other or they don't seem to know what they're talking about regarding elements of the game doesn't build confidence. Exalted has allot of lore and baggage, to be fair but still the fanbase shouldn't be pointing out stuff the developers miss.

The comments and general sense of disdain about "rpg.net Exalted" and people that like it are grating. The idea of power and impact, avoiding so called "Zero to Hero" grinds is what brought allot of people into the game to begin with and what was hyped about Exalted or years. Now its apparently become laughable (since its a promise the mechanics can't keep) and "bad for the game".

I'm not quite at the level of so called "Rpg.net Exalted" and, honestly, I think its become something of a caricature (throwing mountain and wrestling C'thullu by the second session, etc) of a dissenting preference of what seems to be the current popular outlook regarding Exalted (regional politics, local scope, empire building, etc).

But I was drawn into the game by the thought of playing potent world shaking characters that did big things right off the bat and were BFDs in the setting. I have no interest in building empires and ruling a kingdom and if I want regional level exploits there's any number of fantasy games and setting where I can do that. One of my issues with 2ed was the increasing focus on playing what, to me, amounted to Civilization or Master of Magic instead of an adventure game of high end heroics.

I don't want to get into the endless argument of what the game was "meant" to be. But I am concerned the 3rd edition changed emphasis will make it more difficult to use for the game I want to run and my group wants to play.