Quote from: Arohtar;806605I has always buggered me.

Well, that explains a heck of a lot.  Also, troll.

to this day i have yet to see any of the old d&d cartoon even though the dm is the face my players mostly know me by

Quote from: tuypo1;806608a bugger is a species of alien hive mind who cant communicate very well

i still need to read the last few books though

Quote from: tuypo1;806597you seem to assume the worst of people most wizards dont go around destroying towns because thats evil i am concerned for your mental health please see a doctor

and sure a specter might destroy a town but once that town is destroyed people will find out and people will go in and clear it out along with the spectre that started it

besides if a dragon tried to attack a great big city on its own it would be dead in seconds there strong but not that strong strength in numbers arohtar a fantasy army is composed of all sorts of things troops on the ground magic users slinging spells dragons and griffons in the skys xorns in the ground and planeshifters in the ethereal plane will be necessary if theres ghosts in the enemy army

Earlier you wrote: "you want to mass murder thats disturbing". It is not me who wants to mass murder. I am imagining evil monsters in a fantasy world. That's all. I am also just imagining the evil wizard killing people. You see? The zombies and ghouls in the game are just imagination. Don't worry kiddo. Nobody wants to kill anyone in real life.

The scenario with the spectres depend on whether we limit their ability to move. In the original Expers Set D&D rules there were no limits on the mobility of the spectre, so it was an absurdly dangerous monster. Good luck clearing out a town of 500 spectres. Some of them will probably have cleared out your town before you get the chance.

I am sure the magic users, griffons, xorns, planeshifters and ghosts will sort out the implausibilities. Thanks :-)

you implied that most people would want to mass murder in fact im pretty sure you said somewhere you would if you were a dragon but my memory may be wrong there and rememberer there are good dragons that balance out the evil ones

ah here we are

Quote from: Arohtar;806577If I was a dragon, I would love to play Godzilla. Kill men by the hundreds and steal their gold. Lay waste to the land.

Quote from: tuypo1;806614you implied that most people would want to mass murder in fact im pretty sure you said somewhere you would if you were a dragon but my memory may be wrong there and rememberer there are good dragons that balance out the evil ones

...plus, y'know, Gods. They'd not take kindly to some ghost or arrogant wizard killing off all their followers.

Quote from: tuypo1;806602well at one point you claimed exactly that with disintegration as for the droping in every now and again the wizard will be stoped they do have bows you know and the people can hide from the fireballs inside

The wizard probably has invisibility, which is only a level two spell, so it will be difficult for the people to hide, never knowing when the wizard is on the hunt above them. People have to fetch food and water above ground, and then the wizard can kill them. The range of the fire ball is 240', and the maximum range for a long bow is 210', hence the wizard is able to stay above the range of the arrows. If the wizard has 'protection from normal missiles', he can also use that.

I don not understand what you mean about disintegration.

Quote from: tuypo1;806602well at one point you claimed exactly that with disintegration as for the droping in every now and again the wizard will be stoped they do have bows you know and the people can hide from the fireballs inside

Quote from: tuypo1;806615ah here we are

Yes. I imagine I am a dragon. I suppose dragons are like that. The evil ones at least. If I was a ghoul, I would love to eat human flesh.

and invisibility is easily countered

Quote from: Arohtar;806618Yes. I imagine I am a dragon. I suppose dragons are like that. The evil ones at least. If I was a ghoul, I would love to eat human flesh.

well yeah the evil ones at least if you had said that it would have been alright but as we know theres about as many evil dragons as good dragons failing to specify indicates you are applying to all dragons if most dragons were evil it would be different

besides its only something the chaotic evil and some of the neutral evil dragons would do

Quote from: TristramEvans;806616...plus, y'know, Gods. They'd not take kindly to some ghost or arrogant wizard killing off all their followers.

Maybe, but to me it is dissatisfactory to need to Gods to clean up. I think the fantasy world should be able to turn on its own. It should not be necessary to bring in Gods to remove wizards.

I am also not talking about wizards killing their followers. Just people in general. What if a player wizard wanted to clear the countryside of people for some reason? Should I then say: "Oh, well, you can't use your spells on peasants, only on spectres, or the Gods will kill you". Of course I could. Maybe the balance of the world is kept by the Gods. I would prefer something else though.

the gods arent needed because the wizard cant do that somebody else will come and stop him

if your player wants to raze the countryside he will find he gets killed pretty quickly unless the state does not send anybody to fight him for some reason

Quote from: tuypo1;806620well yeah the evil ones at least if you had said that it would have been alright but as we know theres about as many evil dragons as good dragons failing to specify indicates you are applying to all dragons if most dragons were evil it would be different

besides its only something the chaotic evil and some of the neutral evil dragons would do

Yes. It is because I prefer to keep the dragons an evil race, like in Tolkien.

Quote from: Arohtar;806621Maybe, but to me it is dissatisfactory to need to Gods to clean up. I think the fantasy world should be able to turn on its own. It should not be necessary to bring in Gods to remove wizards.

I am also not talking about wizards killing their followers. Just people in general. What if a player wizard wanted to clear the countryside of people for some reason? Should I then say: "Oh, well, you can't use your spells on peasants, only on spectres, or the Gods will kill you". Of course I could. Maybe the balance of the world is kept by the Gods. I would prefer something else though.

Which is why most DMs create their own settings, I would think. Or play in a setting that already has worked out the kinks of these kind of "inconsistencies".

D&D is a toolbox for creating a world, not a world in and of itself.