Quote from: WerekoalaHey, you know what? You were absolutely right. I looked it up and violence in schools and such has been declining - at least up to 2001 which is the most recent I could find. The public perception on this, like many other things, is skewed by media as usual.

Congratulations on learning to use Google to investigate claims about the world. Next time, consult it beforehand. It makes you look like less of a dope.

QuoteAnd hey, just because you're an immature cocksucker who can't back up their position without calling people a "fucking sophist" - you know, like by linking to information supporting YOUR point of view instead of just arguing from authority - is no reason to dispute the facts. Why, I'm sure you've swayed many people with your mature dialogs.

I just swayed you actually, so it does seem to work. I didn't bother to cite things because these are well known, oft-cited pieces of information.

Also, you're not a fucking sophist because you disagreed with me, you're a sophist because, after saying that this was indicative of the state of moral conduct amongst today's youth and having that bullshit called, you gave us some gobbledygook about only being interested in this particular case or whatever.

QuoteThis would have been a very good point, had you actually provided any evidence aside from your own say-so that YOU were right. Yes, you were, but you provided nothing to back it up. You're just lucky I took you seriously enough to actually do some research, because the Lord knows YOU didn't provide any. If you HAD, then none of this would've been necessary, now would it? But you probably like it this way.

Rub some mud on it you fucking baby. I don't remember you being such a whiny shit back when you were slinging hell on the big purple.

I'm not going to cite shit an ordinary person can find on Google with two seconds of effort. Your real problem isn't that I didn't cite stuff, but that I was mean to you. Well, you deserved to have someone be mean to you for baselessly slandering an entire generation.

QuoteNow, anyone care to show me how an IL works?

Google and Ignore Lists, all in one day! Shit son, are you sure you don't want to sign up for Slashdot?

I have to say, in this particular exchange it isn't Werekoala coming out looking bad.

Werekoala, back when he used to post on the big purple, used to regularly post shit like he did in this thread - false statements long on rhetoric and short on research or reasoning. I had little patience for it then, and I have even less now.

Quote from: PseudoephedrineI had little patience for it then, and I have even less now.

That's the trouble with the older generation....

Quote from: PseudoephedrineWerekoala, back when he used to post on the big purple, used to regularly post shit like he did in this thread - false statements long on rhetoric and short on research or reasoning. I had little patience for it then, and I have even less now.

Whatever floats your boat.

Notice of course, its ME that's the problem. I even admitted he was right after doing the research. The whole thing could've been avoided without the holier-than-thou "I'm right, just accept it" attitude. One simple link to a study, or anything at ALL to back up what turned out the be the case, and it would have been a moot point, game set match Mr. P. But no. Its allll about Me.

Funny, I keep trying to tell people that but they always tell me its NOT all about me. So confusing.

Needless to say, I figured out the IL function, so it wasn't a totally wasted experience. First person I've even done that for, so I guess its a bit of a badge of honor.

It's easier to pretend I'm on your ignore list if you don't read and respond to my posts. Just a hint!

Quote from: droogThat's the trouble with the older generation....

Hah!

Quote from: James McMurrayI have to say, in this particular exchange it isn't Werekoala coming out looking bad.

Really?  I think there's more than enough "looking stupid" going around to cover both of them twice over.  The challenge isn't to decide which one of them comes out looking bad, but to find any way in which either one of them doesn't.

:rolleyes:

Quote from: TonyLBReally?  I think there's more than enough "looking stupid" going around to cover both of them twice over.  The challenge isn't to decide which one of them comes out looking bad, but to find any way in which either one of them doesn't.

For what its worth, there's the fact that I admitted he was right and I was wrong? I mean hey, this debate could still be about the actual story that started it all, but instead its devolved into personal attacks. But at least I made the effort to back up my point of view, which is more than he did. I was wrong, I admitted it, I thought that might be the end of it. I was certainly willing to drop it there, since the whole "violence is increasing" statement was incorrect.

Seriously - why the response to my (wrong) opinion as if I'd shoved a hot wire up his wee-wee? Does he have a personal stake in the level of violence in schools? I mean damn, I made a statement that was wrong - not the end of the world, and won't be the last time.

It's because you're a koala. Now if you were a drop bear instead, then everyone would be afraid to mess with you.

Quote from: Blue DevilI have to say I agree that its the parents fault.

Hold on a second, I have to go try something. . .


Okay, I'm back now. I used every bit of concentration I could muster, but I just couldn't make my son's fist hit anything without actually grabbing his arm and moving it myself.

Thinking back. . . no, my folks' didn't control my arm movements when I threw down either. . .

This incident - which as a result, I hope the kids are nailed to the fucking wall - was the fault of the two punk mother fuckers who did it. Now maybe it's just me, but it seems like the people saying it's the parents' fault are the same type of people who bitch and moan when people don't take responsibility for their own actions.

Two kids assaulted someone. Regardless of their upbringing (which might have been great for all you fucking know), the final decision, and the responsibility is theirs. To lay the blame elsewhere is. . . stupid.

Quote from: danzig138Two kids assaulted someone. Regardless of their upbringing (which might have been great for all you fucking know), the final decision, and the responsibility is theirs. To lay the blame elsewhere is. . . stupid.

Agreed. If my 5 year old does something, that's my fault because I should be supervising him. If my 15 year old does something, it's his fault because he should be supervising himself. Perhaps it might have roots in how he was raised, perhaps not, but that doesn't excuse responsibility.

Quote from: WerekoalaSeriously - why the response to my (wrong) opinion as if I'd shoved a hot wire up his wee-wee? Does he have a personal stake in the level of violence in schools? I mean damn, I made a statement that was wrong - not the end of the world, and won't be the last time.

Should you go back and read the section of your post quoted immediately before my comment that you're a sophist, you'll see that I called you one in response to your calling Hastur someone "...a knee-jerking reactionary who has to take what someone says regarding a specific, turn it into a general, and then attack their point of view because you think they were talking about something totally different than was the topic?"

That's just a really shoddy attempt to lash out with rhetoric rather than respond to Hastur's point about improvements in society, and it's why I called you a sophist, and why I stand by that evaluation. All this crying now about how mean I am is utterly hypocritical. You can dish out attacks but not take them, and I've got no sympathy for that kind of bully. No one else seems to either.