Is that "PvP" or "players have their own agendas?"

I tend more towards the latter interpretation myself, and it's what I prefer; I HATE this notion of "the player characters are ONE BAND OF HEROES TRIED AND TRUE."

Quote from: Old Geezer;805656So you're saying this should be a participation reward for my Kickstarter?

As shameless money grabs go, it'd work on me.

Quote from: MonsterSlayer;805657It absolutely answered the question. Those are reel life things I see in the world everyday for the reasons why people are in relationships, endeavors, and business with people that would absolutely stab them in the back.

You could add:
Laziness
Hero complexes
Faith
Allegiance
And many others... but it doesn't mean that in the end you should expect characters vested in their goals will not do everything possible to achieve their goals for good or bad.

And why not let the players play it out if they want
Maybe the cleric is called to bring that nasty necromancer back to the light. Maybe the necromancer doesn't take kindly to that. The fighter just wants to keep the party together long enough to avenge his dead parents and doesn't care from there. But the thief needs the necromancer and priest to work together to beat the lich he knows is in this dungeon but the thief hasn't told anyone because he expects them all to die and he will keep all the loot.

Or something.

Yup ....

I trust you to cover me when I draw my nine and wipe the guy on the corner because we were both sent by Lizard to toast the dude. Doesn't mean that you haven't been told to then stick a couple in the back of my head and leave me in a burned out car wreck because I've been banging his girlfriend.

I mean these people have you know like read books, watched Movies and TV and live in the real world ....

Quote from: Natty Bodak;805654My regular Monday night Roll20 game with my buddy in the DPRK is off tonight because his ISP is down or whatever.  The dude is the poster child for a railroading DM, but he seems to have an uncanny ability to get perfect player attendance for his games, and it seems like he's got an army of artists and voice actors to support the game, so that's pretty cool. Anyway, he condones and encourages PvP when it suits him.

Anyway, I'd too would like to hear more about this Temple of the Eager Virgin adventure since I've got this unexpected down time.

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At least now I can recognize how Paranoia has been adopted by mainstream customer "support" staff.

if my players looked like they were going to start fighting each other i would probably try and steer the party to ysgard so somebody dying does not ruin everything

Quote from: Bren;805348It's also a fallacy that you need more than two people to roleplay. If you can't find one other person in your village who isn't an asshole, then you probably need to find a new hobby, move to a new location, or realize that maybe you are the problem. (Generic you, not you in particular.)

i have to disagree geographic isolation is a bitch some people dont even live in what you could call a village some people live or far out farms and rarely interact with other people it can be really important to maintain friendships

Quote from: Sommerjon;805519I don't agree with this.

It's too easy to get away with PCicide.

That subtlety and complexity is too hard to replicate playing make believe with dice.

i dont know what sort of lawless settings your playing in if one of my players goes and rapes murders and pillages the city guard attacks them why would it be any different for pcs

Quote from: Sommerjon;805571Getting away with murdering someone in a RPG is child's play.  RPGs rely upon a random factor most usually dice. Bringing up Amber?  Really?

the only time dice will come into getting away with things is if you try and escape when people come to bring you to justice (well i suppose that people will need spot or search checks to find bodys but still)

Quote from: Bren;805348It's also a fallacy that you need more than two people to roleplay. If you can't find one other person in your village who isn't an asshole, then you probably need to find a new hobby, move to a new location, or realize that maybe you are the problem. (Generic you, not you in particular.)

i have to disagree geographic isolation is a bitch some people dont even live in what you could call a village some people live or far out farms and rarely interact with other people it can be really important to maintain friendships

Quote from: Sommerjon;805519I don't agree with this.

It's too easy to get away with PCicide.

That subtlety and complexity is too hard to replicate playing make believe with dice.

i dont know what sort of lawless settings your playing in if one of my players goes and rapes murders and pillages the city guard attacks them why would it be any different for pcs

Quote from: Sommerjon;805571Getting away with murdering someone in a RPG is child's play.  RPGs rely upon a random factor most usually dice. Bringing up Amber?  Really?

the only time dice will come into getting away with things is if you try and escape when people come to bring you to justice (well i suppose that people will need spot or search checks to find bodys but still)

i think the peenor of vecna would be a great way to ensure i remember venca is male

Quote from: tuypo1;805681i think the peenor of vecna would be a great way to ensure i remember venca is male

Not all women don't not have dicks.

Sheesh.

Quote from: Old Geezer;805656So you're saying this should be a participation reward for my Kickstarter?

I would seriously toss in a bit just to get a completely juvenile adventure filled with 14 year old boy jokes.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;805683I would seriously toss in a bit just to get a completely juvenile adventure filled with 14 year old boy jokes.

I'll consider that a challenge.

Maybe the players should have to steal the Lampshade of Obviousness?

Quote from: MonsterSlayer;805657It absolutely answered the question. Those are reel life things I see in the world everyday for the reasons why people are in relationships, endeavors, and business with people that would absolutely stab them in the back.

You could add:
Laziness
Hero complexes
Faith
Allegiance
And many others... but it doesn't mean that in the end you should expect characters vested in their goals will not do everything possible to achieve their goals for good or bad.

And why not let the players play it out if they want
Maybe the cleric is called to bring that nasty necromancer back to the light. Maybe the necromancer doesn't take kindly to that. The fighter just wants to keep the party together long enough to avenge his dead parents and doesn't care from there. But the thief needs the necromancer and priest to work together to beat the lich he knows is in this dungeon but the thief hasn't told anyone because he expects them all to die and he will keep all the loot.

Or something.

There is a slight difference in Billy stabbing you in the back to get the corner office and Billy literally stabbing you in the back.

Strange that you two are willing to use; Idealism, Ego, Money, Power, Sex, Envy, Sloth, self preservation, Laziness, Hero complexes, Faith, Allegiance as reasons to justify hooking up with someone you absolutely loathe when the easiest thing for you to do is say "Nope, bye"
I have little interest in games where David Duke is hanging with Al Sharpton cuz Conflict!

Quote from: tuypo1;805675I dont know what sort of lawless settings your playing in if one of my players goes and rapes murders and pillages the city guard attacks them why would it be any different for pcs.

Why would your players do rapes murders and pillages in front of the city guard?  Do they also radio ahead to the local dungeon that they are coming?

Quote from: tuypo1;805675The only time dice will come into getting away with things is if you try and escape when people come to bring you to justice (well I suppose that people will need spot or search checks to find bodies but still)

How would they find out so easily?