I think the corruption in Journalism angle is way oversold. A huge part of it has to do with the newest attacks on the persons of gamers and the games they play.  

Gamer is a pejorative to a lot of people, and having all this pressure being applied to them: This time from the left instead of the Right, has caused the designated out-group to close ranks and defend themselves... again.

Make no mistake: The calls from the Zoe Quinns and the Anita Sarkeesians are not merely to make gaming somehow more inclusive to women (how much money has Bejeweled made? Anyone?), but essentially to fundamentally end games like Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto for being thoughtcrimes, ending the hobby that nearly literally is the only thing the social outcasts have to give their lives simple enjoyment.

Once more the enlightened elite wish to impose top down controls on the market. You shall not make games the people wish to buy, instead you shall make games that are deemed 'inoffensive'.

Quote from: Alathon;799118Same; I don't give two fat damns how large people in Aspen are living as long as long as everyone else is getting by.  It's the "everyone else getting by" part that seems busted right now.

Quite.

jg

It's also, apparently, pretty good money, for little or no effort.
http://www.patreon.com/zoe
Just shy of $3800/month, to make games like Depression Quest, every so often?

Shit I can make better role playing games for cheaper than that.  If you take the money out of the gaming industry these assholes would just disappear.

I don't care for Zoey Quinn as a person, but if she's making money off of her Depression Quest games I don't fault her for that at all. At least its an actual product. Its the Sarkeesians so-called "consultants" and the like, who dont actually contribute anything, that I would consider parasites.

I think being a "professional critic" of anything solely indicates that you were not talented enough to actually do that thing.

Quote from: Spike;799094Sacrosanct is merely shouting along with the mob, hoping he will not be called to account for his thoughtcrimes, his heresies, in the next purging.

Bullshit.

Quote from: TristramEvans;799164I don't care for Zoey Quinn as a person, but if she's making money off of her Depression Quest games I don't fault her for that at all. At least its an actual product. Its the Sarkeesians so-called "consultants" and the like, who dont actually contribute anything, that I would consider parasites.

I think being a "professional critic" of anything solely indicates that you were not talented enough to actually do that thing.

A competent critic who is only (or primarily) a critic, also has to be a competent entertainer or writer.  But, I'll admit that few meet that bar; I don't really go to critics so much, though I'm starting to reconsider.  I'm cautiously optimistic about this new advertisement+crowdfunding model.

Quote from: Novastar;799133Yes, it actually is. It's just an example of "beneficial sexism", like opening a door for a lady, or pulling out a chair. Unlike "oppressive sexism" which is more the "make me a sammich!" (or worse) type.

Oh?
Even if the same person would say "woman up" to women?

I personally would not use either, but that is me, and extreme "feminists" would probably see ME as sexist or even misogynist anyway for some of my views, but I don't care, and it don't stop me from being pro-feminism, as I think they do good things as long as the don't go extreme so they lose their real goal.
The extreme "feminists" is no longer feminists, as I see them.
They use a similar foundation, similar words, and even may see themselves as feminists, but to me, they are not.

Quote from: The Ent;799167Bullshit.

Exactly.

We've got a stage where some people have bought into this "SJW's are destroying fun" delusion that they confuse basic human decency for being part of a global conspiracy.

Quote from: Ladybird;799209Exactly.

We've got a stage where some people have bought into this "SJW's are destroying fun" delusion that they confuse basic human decency for being part of a global conspiracy.

In what way are people confounding "basic human decency" and SJWs? I see no correlation between the two.

Quote from: Ladybird;799209Exactly.

We've got a stage where some people have bought into this "SJW's are destroying fun" delusion that they confuse basic human decency for being part of a global conspiracy.

Well put.
That'd be my view as well. Agreed.

Quote from: TristramEvans;799213In what way are people confounding "basic human decency" and SJWs? I see no correlation between the two.

No one is.

However it's rather wrong to point at people* and scream "SJW!" when all they're doing is acting decent. In fact doing so is lowering oneself to the level of the slacktivists.

*=that'd be Sacro in this case. Who ain't a slacktivist, and never has been, and saying he is would be BULLSHIT.

I'm as anti-slacktivist as they come (this side of Pundit) but that doesn't mean I ally myself with reactionaries and sexists. My enemies' enemies ain't necessarily my friends.

A man* gotta keep his scruples about him and his eyesight clear in cases like this.
*=or woman of course

And of course one should always Act decent.

Quote from: TristramEvans;799213In what way are people confounding "basic human decency" and SJWs? I see no correlation between the two.

There isn't any correlation between the two because Ladybird is bullshitting you.  Seriously we have a mountain of evidence pointing out the social justice warriors had bullied, threaten, and treated people less than human.  This isn't just white cis males that disagree with them either.  Their most vicious attacks are aimed at minorities.  Must I point out that a social justice warrior flat out told a transgender person that she is property?

Social justice warriors been demanding human decency, but had treated others less than human.  The lack of human decency started off with them when they decided to be hypocrites.

Quote from: The Ent;799222No one is.
However it's rather wrong to point at people* and scream "SJW!" when all they're doing is acting decent. In fact doing so is lowering oneself to the level of the slacktivists.

*=that'd be Sacro in this case. Who ain't a slacktivist, and never has been, and saying he is would be BULLSHIT.

Well I think in this case Sacro has brought his troubles in this thread onto himself, but, no, I wouldnt call him an SJW either. But he made a joke and then when someone made a joking reply in response he freaked out and blew it out of proportion, making accusations that are of the same type people in this thread are complaining about SJWs making. Objecting to what someone posts is one thing, calling them a "textbook misogynist" , especially in this context, is asking for a fight (who knows, its therpgsite, maybe he was asking for a fight). I dont think in this case Sacro is acting like a "decent human being", he's being an obtuse dick. That has nothing to do with his politics, but how hes conducted himself in debate.

But its one thread. All of us are assholes in one thread or another.

I was thinking of making an asshole badge to hand out, but in testing I found it generally confused people as to what I was suggesting to them.

Quote from: Snowman0147;799223Social justice warriors been demanding human decency, but had treated others less than human.  The lack of human decency started off with them when they decided to be hypocrites.

I have long held, and often expressed, my absolute disgust in the hypocrisy of the vocal SJW movement.  Back with Grim, then again with Pundit/Zak, and again here.  They seem to be more than willing to engage in the exact same behavior that they supposedly are so much against.